Skip to comments.[B61623] Jet Blue Flight 1623 / via Twitter [false alarm]
Posted on 06/27/2018 1:52:43 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16
Review of flight Radar suggest this is not a routine response to radio problem
As a pilot my gut tells me the pilot likely entered squak code 7500 instead of 7600. One digit makes all the difference in the world as to the response you get.
Looking forward to the report on this one
False Flag? They are desperate.
Which raises the question : was it a “dry run” test of the response. A simple transmission error could be adjudicated a number of ways internally by the airline by simply getting the pilot to authenticate internally over the phone —
That being said - stating the obvious - the detailed report on this needs to be public to maintain public confidence
What is meant when they say “squak XXX” ? They’ve already said “contact YYY on 136.05,” what is “squak” ? Subspace channel?
I think this story needs to be “Breaking News” until it has been cleared as a simple false alarm —
When I was a student pilot in the 80’s I was taught on day 1 to never scroll through squak code 7500 when intending to use 7700 / emergency declaration / gets your aircraft glowing on ATC radar to get their attention and signals you need help but not exactly sure what you need at the moment. You the pilot own the radio and all other traffic is moved to another frequency of need be. You can also switch to 121.5 where everyone else is listening and willing to assist
7600 is complete Communication failure and signals that you have full control over the aircraft you just can’t talk or listen — if on the ground the tower communicates to the aircraft with simple light signals to direct the aircraft to a safe parking spot etc etc. In the air ATC gives a series of direction / altitude changes to ensure the pilot HEARS but just not able to transmit
7500 is the big one. If intending to squak 7700 or 7600 never ever ever scroll through 7500 - if you do so even for just a split second you just did the equivalent of hitting the silent alarm if you are a bank teller —
This is easily adjudicated by having the bank manager step outside when ordered by police once the bank is surrounded. You don’t storm inside the bank with your SWAT TEAM every time a bank teller accidentally triggers the silent alarm. At the same time you treat every silent alarm as a real alarm until adjudicated
4 digit code all aircraft use to distinguish your aircraft on ATC radar
The code is assigned by ATC and given to the pilot at clearance delivery before moving from parking spot at origin and remains in use all the way to parking spot at destination
If this was just a simple accidental trigger of an alarm the pilot in command would immediately authenticate internally with his company dispatch and the pilot in command will exit the aircraft and make contact with law enforcement.
There is much more to this response than a simple “oops I accidentally hit the silent holdup alarm”
Q - posting about this should cause us FReepers to keep this as Breaking News until the full details of this incident is made public. No way should we accept this as a simple response to a “False Alarm”
What are the implications of this to a layman? What is insinuated? Is it a possible FF? How?
All great questions. I do not wish to speculate. The full report details of this incident must be made public in my humble opinion. The only way this will happen is if the public insists on it.
If this was in fact just a simple “False Alarm” at minimum the response procedures need some serious rethinking.
If there is more to the story - which I suspect there is. Let’s not have another “Able Danger” 9/11 - Ommission BS report
Just some random thoughts to toss into the discussion:
In most digital key pads, the “6” button is in the same row and to the outside of the “5” button. As in:
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
* 0 #
Not sure where the keypad is located in the cockpit but the human “butterfingers” factor has to be considered, especially if the input panel is awkwardly placed. Consider how frequently misspellings occur even when the keyboard is directly in front of the person typing in the input. Maybe the code used to signal a highjacking event needs to be a little deliberate in how it is constructed.
I don’t know about other, younger Freepers, but requiring this 69 year old male with a bad back and carpal tunnel syndrome to hold his hands above his head for what? 50, 60, 70 minutes or more is going to create its own set of problems. Has the physical stress that posture alone will create been factored into the protocols? Are there any de-escalation measures that can be implemented if the clearance process is only being executed “out of an abundance of caution?”
I am no “Curt Weldon”. But I call on all the “Curt Weldon : Able Danger” folks out there to speak up loudly and publicly. If there are threats that the public needs to be aware of let’s put it out there and encourage everyone to use their See Something / Send Something cellphone app and send in those photos of things that just don’t seem right.
Your gut was wrong
Do you details to share?
Scrolling comments noted. Disregard comments on digital keypad.
There were no “digital” keypads when this system was developed each digit is “dialed” in like a know on an old black and white 13 channel TV.
This is the type of transponder I used in my first airplane
NORDO.... wow, your post would probably mean something and I just might even be impressed by your vast experience... if I knew what the hell that meant.
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