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[B61623] Jet Blue Flight 1623 / via Twitter [false alarm]
Flight Radar link / tweet ^ | Q / multiple sources

Posted on 06/27/2018 1:52:43 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16

Review of flight Radar suggest this is not a routine response to radio problem

As a pilot my gut tells me the pilot likely entered squak code 7500 instead of 7600. One digit makes all the difference in the world as to the response you get.

Looking forward to the report on this one


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1623; 7500; 7600; 7700; b61623; b66123; banglist; jetblue; jfk; q; squawk; wot
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1 posted on 06/27/2018 1:52:43 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16
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To: JohnThree3to16

https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/fbi-agents-storm-jetblue-plane-jfk-hijacking-false/story?id=56193097


2 posted on 06/27/2018 2:12:13 AM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is on twitter @SarahMGellar)
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False Flag? They are desperate.


3 posted on 06/27/2018 2:20:59 AM PDT by Shady (We WON the Battle, Now let's WIN THE WAR!!!!)
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To: SMGFan

Which raises the question : was it a “dry run” test of the response. A simple transmission error could be adjudicated a number of ways internally by the airline by simply getting the pilot to authenticate internally over the phone —

That being said - stating the obvious - the detailed report on this needs to be public to maintain public confidence


4 posted on 06/27/2018 2:21:40 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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I never wanted an aircraft squawking ANY code while they are taxiing. It causes all kinds of hate and discontent among the controllers. No airline pilot, with an IQ slightly above that of Maxine Waters, is going to taxi onto an active runway, let alone, take off, when he is NORDO.
I saw a C-5 stopped dead in the middle of a taxiway once. After numerous attempts to contact the aircraft, maintenance went to check, and found it was NORDO, so we arranged for them to taxi back to parking.
5 posted on 06/27/2018 2:41:14 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: JohnThree3to16

What is meant when they say “squak XXX” ? They’ve already said “contact YYY on 136.05,” what is “squak” ? Subspace channel?


6 posted on 06/27/2018 2:44:01 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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I think this story needs to be “Breaking News” until it has been cleared as a simple false alarm —

When I was a student pilot in the 80’s I was taught on day 1 to never scroll through squak code 7500 when intending to use 7700 / emergency declaration / gets your aircraft glowing on ATC radar to get their attention and signals you need help but not exactly sure what you need at the moment. You the pilot own the radio and all other traffic is moved to another frequency of need be. You can also switch to 121.5 where everyone else is listening and willing to assist

7600 is complete Communication failure and signals that you have full control over the aircraft you just can’t talk or listen — if on the ground the tower communicates to the aircraft with simple light signals to direct the aircraft to a safe parking spot etc etc. In the air ATC gives a series of direction / altitude changes to ensure the pilot HEARS but just not able to transmit

7500 is the big one. If intending to squak 7700 or 7600 never ever ever scroll through 7500 - if you do so even for just a split second you just did the equivalent of hitting the silent alarm if you are a bank teller —

This is easily adjudicated by having the bank manager step outside when ordered by police once the bank is surrounded. You don’t storm inside the bank with your SWAT TEAM every time a bank teller accidentally triggers the silent alarm. At the same time you treat every silent alarm as a real alarm until adjudicated


7 posted on 06/27/2018 2:53:18 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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To: Steely Tom

4 digit code all aircraft use to distinguish your aircraft on ATC radar

The code is assigned by ATC and given to the pilot at clearance delivery before moving from parking spot at origin and remains in use all the way to parking spot at destination


8 posted on 06/27/2018 2:57:00 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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To: JohnThree3to16

If this was just a simple accidental trigger of an alarm the pilot in command would immediately authenticate internally with his company dispatch and the pilot in command will exit the aircraft and make contact with law enforcement.

There is much more to this response than a simple “oops I accidentally hit the silent holdup alarm”

Q - posting about this should cause us FReepers to keep this as Breaking News until the full details of this incident is made public. No way should we accept this as a simple response to a “False Alarm”


9 posted on 06/27/2018 3:04:46 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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I simply said to the pilot, if you hear me, ident. If he is in the VFR pattern, I said, if you hear me, rock your wings. If I got no response, I would give them a steady green light. In the IFR pattern, we always told them, “lost comm as published,” so we knew exactly what he was going to do, if he went NORDO.
I didn’t know you couldn’t cycle through the codes like that, even for a second. What would you do, set up different numbers for the last two digits, then select 76 or 77?
10 posted on 06/27/2018 3:38:36 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: JohnThree3to16

What are the implications of this to a layman? What is insinuated? Is it a possible FF? How?


11 posted on 06/27/2018 3:44:03 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Hostage

All great questions. I do not wish to speculate. The full report details of this incident must be made public in my humble opinion. The only way this will happen is if the public insists on it.

If this was in fact just a simple “False Alarm” at minimum the response procedures need some serious rethinking.

If there is more to the story - which I suspect there is. Let’s not have another “Able Danger” 9/11 - Ommission BS report


12 posted on 06/27/2018 3:56:40 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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To: JohnThree3to16

Just some random thoughts to toss into the discussion:

In most digital key pads, the “6” button is in the same row and to the outside of the “5” button. As in:

1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
* 0 #

Not sure where the keypad is located in the cockpit but the human “butterfingers” factor has to be considered, especially if the input panel is awkwardly placed. Consider how frequently misspellings occur even when the keyboard is directly in front of the person typing in the input. Maybe the code used to signal a highjacking event needs to be a little deliberate in how it is constructed.

I don’t know about other, younger Freepers, but requiring this 69 year old male with a bad back and carpal tunnel syndrome to hold his hands above his head for what? 50, 60, 70 minutes or more is going to create its own set of problems. Has the physical stress that posture alone will create been factored into the protocols? Are there any de-escalation measures that can be implemented if the clearance process is only being executed “out of an abundance of caution?”


13 posted on 06/27/2018 4:02:32 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: Hostage

I am no “Curt Weldon”. But I call on all the “Curt Weldon : Able Danger” folks out there to speak up loudly and publicly. If there are threats that the public needs to be aware of let’s put it out there and encourage everyone to use their See Something / Send Something cellphone app and send in those photos of things that just don’t seem right.


14 posted on 06/27/2018 4:04:21 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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To: JohnThree3to16

Your gut was wrong


15 posted on 06/27/2018 4:04:39 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

Really?

Do you details to share?


16 posted on 06/27/2018 4:07:07 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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To: Captain Rhino

Scrolling comments noted. Disregard comments on digital keypad.


17 posted on 06/27/2018 4:09:44 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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There were no “digital” keypads when this system was developed each digit is “dialed” in like a know on an old black and white 13 channel TV.

Lol


18 posted on 06/27/2018 4:15:27 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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https://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fsep.yimg.com%2Fca%2FI%2Fyhst-10237233231589_2267_20510783&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bennettavionics.com%2Frt359a.html&docid=ijgYBjv1dGPcqM&tbnid=b-mYAVpWq2sH1M%3A&vet=1&w=300&h=139&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim

This is the type of transponder I used in my first airplane


19 posted on 06/27/2018 4:24:01 AM PDT by JohnThree3to16 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3625817/posts)
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NORDO.... wow, your post would probably mean something and I just might even be impressed by your vast experience... if I knew what the hell that meant.


20 posted on 06/27/2018 4:45:36 AM PDT by Hatteras
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