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To: Wilderness Conservative

OK, dumb question. If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?


11 posted on 07/06/2018 7:43:55 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus

Only if you truly believed your life or the life of another was in imminent danger, and you’d likely have to be able to convince a judge and jury of that, too.

It would not be a very well received action anywhere in the USA.

Now if he threw the drink, then threw the glass at you, then picked up a chair and raised it over his head and moved toward you with it in a threatening fashion, then maybe.


16 posted on 07/06/2018 7:56:57 AM PDT by Notthemomma
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To: Ronald_Magnus
OK, dumb question. If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?

Nope. He did not have the capability, opportunity or intent to do serious bodily harm. YOU would be going to jail for a lot longer than this douchebag.

However.....if he walked up and said, "You support Trump? You're dead m***********r.....and started pounding the kid (who is a lot smaller)...you could use the "disparity of force" equation to probably do so.....but you have to prove to a jury that that kid probably would have been killed or seriously injured if you Didn't pull out your CCW and use it.

17 posted on 07/06/2018 7:57:08 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

“If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?”

Use the standard response of cops all over America.

“I feared for my life.” Then “I want a lawyer.”

Say nothing else.

Nothing.

L


19 posted on 07/06/2018 7:57:47 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
“OK, dumb question.”

It's been said there are no dumb questions. I don't know about that, but there seems to be a lot of dumb answers.

To continue:

” If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?”

That depends on the jurisdiction and other circumstances.

If he's backing away, retreating, after doing his dirty deed, you'd have a hard time making a case for your legal right.

If he's distracted you with the thrown drink, has a firm grip on you, won't let you go, and you have reason to believe he's going to do further grievous harm, you'd have a better case for wrapping his shirt in the front sight of your “get off me” gun and emptying it.

Anything between those two scenarios and you take your chances.

20 posted on 07/06/2018 7:59:05 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

No.


27 posted on 07/06/2018 8:08:10 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

“If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?”

It depends on whether if the threat has ended, or you still feel in danger. If he is walking away, nope, can’t shoot him.

If he is still in your face and threatening you, yup, bust a cap in his ass.


29 posted on 07/06/2018 8:08:35 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals can kiss my bitter clingers!)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

After my recent surgery pulling a hat off my head like that would have put me on the ground in very serious pain. I probably wouldnt have been able to defend myself at all from a surprise attack like that. Im no pussy, but in my medical condition and with the meds I was on it was highly advised that I shelf my personal firearm for the duration of the powerful meds. I have absolutely no doubt that one or more of my clan would have forceablly engaged this individual and he would not have been walking out of the restaurant with MY hat.

Yes. I had to have a plan for stupid shit like this.


35 posted on 07/06/2018 8:19:38 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

No.

The response must be ‘proportionate’. The thrown drink is a simple battery, so you could punch his lights out.

If he were using something that could inflict great bodily harm or death, you could put him down in defense of yourself or others. Burden of proof would be on you in both instances.

That is a general overview, not legal advice. State laws vary widely, and you could legitimately use self defense but still have to answer for having the weapon in a restricted area.

Personally I’d love to see the reintroduction of bounties paid on delivering criminals.


39 posted on 07/06/2018 8:25:58 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Ace McCain: The tumor is a rumor but the boot was a hoot.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
OK, dumb question. If he grabbed your hat and threw his drink in your face as reported, would you have any legal right to take out your concealed carry and put two rounds in his chest?

In most places, absolutely not!

Can only use deadly force if you are in fear of your life. In the video, he is obviously leaving after the assault and theft.. Don't even think about it...

45 posted on 07/06/2018 8:53:09 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Ronald_Magnus

If you do it before or as the assault is in progress, good shooting. After, it looks like retaliation. Timing counts.

Unless you can convince a DA that he was taking off and therefore a fleeing felon, and your concern was that he was about to commit further felonies.

Apologies for giving a serious answer to what I suspect was a tongue-in-cheek question.


58 posted on 07/06/2018 10:17:16 AM PDT by DPMD
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