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Mike Pence: Yes, Of Course I Still Want To See Roe V. Wade Overturned (... And ??)
Posted on 07/11/2018 8:08:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Is this news? CNN and Mediaite are treating it as news. It’d be major, major news if his answer was anything other than this, for sure.
As it is, the angle seems to be that a guy who’s now the country’s most prominent devoutly Christian politician, who got elected vice president by campaigning on overturning Roe … hasn’t changed his mind about a lifelong core belief since assuming office.
What are the odds?
Per the last post about Schumer, I think this is real news in one sense. The only way Democrats get a total victory out of borking Kavanaugh rather than a temporary or even pyrrhic one is by turning up the volume on abortion to 11 during the confirmation process. It’s not enough to beat him because of the work he did for Ken Starr or for Bush or whomever. If you do that, Trump might turn around and nominate Barrett — and she’d stand a good chance of getting confirmed in a Senate that’s a bit more Republican in January. To frighten him into going more moderate with his replacement for Kavanaugh, liberals need to use the next few months to show Trump that no hardcore pro-lifer can be confirmed lest it ignite a ferocious backlash.
Pence’s soundbite here, although perfectly anodyne, helps a bit by giving Dems something to remind voters that the tippy-top ranks of the Trump administration have every intention of overturning Roe. The White House can’t guarantee it; Pence himself is quick to note that what he wants and what Brett Kavanaugh might do on the bench are two different things. But the more lefties remind casual voters that Trump is hoping for this outcome and doing everything in his power to engineer it, the better their chances of mobilizing that backlash. This is attack-ad material. And maybe more importantly, something to lay before Collins and Murkowski and remind them what they’re voting for by voting for Kavanaugh.
Ross Douthat is already preparing for the post-Kavanaugh era — not among Democrats but among social conservatives. It will be wrenching one way or another, he notes. Either Kavanaugh will come through, vote to overturn Roe, and politics will go topsy-turvy or … he won’t. And what if he doesn’t?
I think abortion opponents will have that trust vindicated; I think a Roberts-Kavanaugh court, however restrained in other ways, will overrule Casey and allow the states to legislate freely on abortion once again. But this is not the view of many savvy court-watchers, many legal conservatives included, who expect at most a gradual widening of the room for second-trimester regulation. And if theyre right and Im wrong, if another Republican appointee writes another opinion that limits but still preserves a constitutional right to terminate unborn human lives, then the party unity that I expect around the Kavanaugh nomination will never be repeated, rebellions and disillusionment will divide the rights legal coalition, and pro-life voters will never trust the legal establishments promises again.
The groundswell for Barrett, unusual in a nomination process, was a foretaste of what the rebellions would look like.
We’ll see. Douthat acknowledged on Twitter this morning that social cons are usually cheap dates for their party. There may be a rebellion if Kavanaugh (or Roberts) chokes completely and votes to keep the Roe/Casey framework wholly intact, but I think a Roe-style temporal framework that preserves the right to abortion but scales it way back to the earliest stages of pregnancy is something most social conservatives would talk themselves into accepting. Particularly with their hero Trump, the master salesman, pitching them that it’s the political win of the century, a night-and-day improvement over the current abortion-mill regime, and so on. There’ll be no wider political rebellion; Douthat noted himself that social cons are forever running into the problem that they have nowhere else to go politically.
But he’s right that if Kavanaugh chokes, it’ll be the end of trusting the Federalist Society legal culture in which Kavanaugh was incubated. That group exists ultimately to produce Supreme Court justices who will. not. choke. like Kennedy, O’Connor, and Souter — three Republican appointees — did in Casey. (Fun fact: The other two votes in the five-vote Casey majority, Blackmun and Stevens, were also Republican appointees. The lone Democratic appointee on the Court at the time, Byron White, dissented. Eight Republicans couldn’t get it done!) If a Republican majority midwifed by Don McGahn and Leonard Leo can’t seal the deal, the group’s credibility is cooked. Who knows what comes after that.
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; mikepence; roevwade; vppence
President Trump is carrying out the campaign promises that got him elected. It’s a Scandal!
Vice President Pence hasn’t changed his mind about his core beliefs. It’s a Scandal!
posted on 07/11/2018 8:14:08 AM PDT
(If you beleive the dog, then take his advice.)
Of course we do.
We dont hold views out of political expediency or to win votes.
What you see with conservatives is what you will get.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:14:20 AM PDT
(The In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Pence change his mind on anything. I don’t trust the guy. He seems shifty to me.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:17:13 AM PDT
RE: It wouldnt surprise me to see Pence change his mind on anything. I dont trust the guy. He seems shifty to me.
Can you cite us some examples in the past where he’s shifted?
BTW, Trump has “shifted” too... want me to cite some examples?
“Can you cite us some examples in the past where hes shifted?”
I cannot. Just going by instinct. I’m sure it’s a gut reaction to his body language and how measured his speech is. I trust it, because I’m very seldom wrong and it has served me well for a long, long time.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:23:48 AM PDT
It returns to the states.
IMHO..Eventually, there will probably be only two states that allow abortion without reason...Ca and NY.
Well....you just keep right on making things up....cuz there’s no reason to conclude that.
It wouldnt surprise me to see Pence change his mind on anything. I dont trust the guy. He seems shifty to me.
Your gut instinct is pretty badly off. I was listenting to Pence and getting emails back from him before he was elected to Congress for the first time in the 1990s.
He is 100% a sincere Christian and social conservative.
The only issue he might be softer than Trump on is illegal immigration.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:34:59 AM PDT
RE: I cannot. Just going by instinct. Im sure its a gut reaction to his body language and how measured his speech is
Let’s put it this way (assuming we can trust your instinct), FLIP-FLOPPING or CHANGING YOUR MIND can be GOOD or BAD depending on the situation.
If you change your mind because new information and more experience tells you that your previous beliefs are wrong, I don’t see why it is not a good thing to o so. Only stubborn people refuse to change their minds in the face of opposing evidence.
If you however, “change your mind” (note the quotes) out of political convenience, that shows a man without principle ( it also tells me that you probably never believed in your former stance in the first place ). Obama’s sudden support of gay marriage after he said he was opposed to it during the campaign is just one example. I never believed him when he said he was opposed to it the first time.
"Well....you just keep right on making things up....cuz theres no reason to conclude that."
Lots of trolls reappearing on FR which were banned before the election for TDS. The SC threads are infected with the hand-wringers and trolls. FR was a nice place for a while, but curious when Trump was clearly steamrolling everyone politically, they reappeared. Sorry nice try trolls, worse beating coming in 2020, and your masturbatory midterm fantasy is evaporating you will neither retake the House or Senate. But you still have trolling FR and posting your ranting on Vox and Young Turks to get you through. They love to listen to themselves in the Flat Earth echo chamber, ranting about Russia, how global warming is causing Polar Bear miscarriages and how AI and Facebook are going to save them.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:38:38 AM PDT
(Negan all the MSM)
The thing about this is that it’s ONLY been the law of the land for less than 50 years. IF leftists are so sure that the American people agree with them they should be GLAD to let the states decide this issue. Transportation is such that even if there’s only 1 state that allows abortion if someone really really wants one they’ll go get it.
I cannot. Just going by instinct. Im sure its a gut reaction to his body language and how measured his speech is. I trust it, because Im very seldom wrong and it has served me well for a long, long time.
Welp, I suggest you take your gut and educate it on Pence, because it's not real smart.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:44:53 AM PDT
(Interesting times we live in...........)
You apparently don’t know the definition of shifty. I respectfully suggest you look it up.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:45:02 AM PDT
RE: You apparently dont know the definition of shifty. I respectfully suggest you look it up.
It means evasive and deceitful.
How are the examples I presented wrong?
Why do you evade? Isn’t it because you don’t really believe in what you’re telling people?
So, when Pence tells the interviewer in response to her asking him if he wants Roe V. Wade overturned and he says “I do”.
How is that being evasive or deceitful?
A deceitful or evasive answer should be longer than those two pretty CONCISE words.
Now you dissemble. I’m truly sorry if I upset you. My intent was not to offend.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:50:10 AM PDT
RE: Now you dissemble. Im truly sorry if I upset you.
I’m not upset ( if I were, I would have told you ). I just want clarity and you haven’t provided that to us at all.
It's news because the dems need to refresh the old "war on women" theme. Their most important strategic effort is always to motivate white suburban women - soccer moms - to get out and vote for democrats. They can never get white men back and they can never win with heir core coalition of illegal immigrants, muslim terrorists, radical gays, transgender activists, college students who don't vote, and minorities. So they MUST keep the soccer moms, it's their A-1 top priority.
So there must always be a fake war on women by republicans. That's why out of nowhere dem strategist ... I mean "unbiased journalist" ... George Stephanopolous brought up birth control in the debate he moderated when Romney was running and the dems had a thousand talking heads on TV the next day all reciting their pre-planned talking points about the war on women and how Romney wants to ban contraceptives.
And the soccer moms fall for it every single time. I wonder though if it works this time when at the same time as they talk about a GOP war on women, their activists are screaming at republican women and hounding them out of restaurants and calling them horrific names. Might that at least give some pause to their thinking?
posted on 07/11/2018 8:56:25 AM PDT
(Russians couldnt have done a better job destroying sacred American institutions than Democrats have)
I told you it was a gut feeling I have about Pence. Nothing more, nothing less. Call it my opinion and feel to disagree all you want. I really have nothing else to say on this, so I’ll leave you be.
I wish you good health and much happiness.
posted on 07/11/2018 8:58:04 AM PDT
Pence wants RvW overturned...me, too. I believe we killed more babies than PolPot killed...and we called him a murderer, so that is why I call PP Planned Homicide...
posted on 07/11/2018 8:08:49 PM PDT
by Deplorable American1776
(Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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