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Cruz Is Right on Space Station
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2018 | Brian McNicoll

Posted on 07/21/2018 6:52:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: PIF

The US Government had a monopoly on space. Now, it doesn’t.

We should not pay extra for this. Let private companies do so.


21 posted on 07/21/2018 12:10:08 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Kaslin
Cruz Is Right on Space Station

Well thank goodness for Texas he's bringing home the bacon, can't have him being a total putz about everything.

22 posted on 07/21/2018 12:15:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ConservativeMind

Extra? You totally misunderstand the role of Gov here - it is for them to pioneer the tech so that ‘companies’, as you put it, can take over. Barring that, the Chinese, Russians, Indians, and Europeans will usurp the high ground while some are busy pinching pennies. And the US will fall to 3rd of 4th level in the world. Once that happens there is no coming back. That was also Obama’s plan which is what DJT wants to overturn, but without conservative support, its Obama all the way to the bottom.


23 posted on 07/21/2018 12:46:24 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

“You totally misunderstand the role of Gov here - it is for them to pioneer the tech so that ‘companies’, as you put it, can take over.”

I am a Consevative. You are a RINO.


24 posted on 07/21/2018 1:18:42 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I am a Consevative. You are a RINO.


I believe that name calling is not permitted on FR. This is a conversation not a pissing contest. Which, if it was, you by your name calling lost.


25 posted on 07/21/2018 1:28:06 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Kaslin

I have a sneaking suspicion that if we knew about what’s actually happening in space and where some of those black project trillion$ went, no one would be talking about the ISS.


26 posted on 07/21/2018 2:08:20 PM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: Kaslin

Do it, take it from the Congressional pension fund.


27 posted on 07/21/2018 2:12:48 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: PIF
the role of Gov here - it is for them to pioneer the tech

Nope - as stated in our Declaration of Independence, the role of government is to secure men's rights. Pioneering tech is the role of investors spending their own money (or money voluntarily given over to their care).

28 posted on 07/21/2018 2:13:40 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Kaslin
Re: “NASA spends $3-$4 billion per year to operate the ISS.”

Re: “Cruz is concerned no one will step up to partner with the government because of limited commercial opportunities.”

There are NO commercial opportunities, except space tourism and rocket thrill rides.

And it will take centuries before human tourists can safely and comfortably sight see around our solar system.

I completely support basic scientific research.

But NASA needs to channel ALL its funding into robotic telescopes, orbiters, landers, and sample returns.

29 posted on 07/21/2018 2:46:58 PM PDT by zeestephen
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I, Representative, declare the Space Shuttle a paper weight.

Let it fall back as a July 4th light show.

CUT DEAD WEIGHT.


30 posted on 07/21/2018 4:30:55 PM PDT by TheNext
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To: Kaslin

Maybe Cruz does, maybe he doesn’t. It all comes down to NASA jobs in Houston. That’s what he really cares about.


31 posted on 07/21/2018 4:33:59 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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The dog didn’t do anything.


32 posted on 07/21/2018 6:53:55 PM PDT by webheart (Grammar police on the scene.)
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To: NobleFree

Nope - as stated in our Declaration of Independence, the role of government is to secure men’s rights.

Men have a right, as you put it, to have their ‘rights’ secure in space also. Other than that, you are thinking penny-wise and pound foolish quibbling about a few billion in a multi-trillion dollar economy.

And continue to misunderstand what role the Government actually plays. You do know that the US government played a large role in opening up the West? Perhaps it would have been better for the settlers to raise their own armies and build their own forts under corporate logos?

Corporations in space need to raise their own defenses against Russian and Chinese military space forces according to your idea. Corporations need to defend the US communications and GPS grid against all comers. I guess. It goes on ...

You are neglecting to take into consideration the huge and rapid advances in all realms of technology which came directly out of the US manned space program. While some will argue that those things would have happened anyway - which in my opinion is fanciful thinking and a weak argument.

How many more decades and centuries would it have taken absent the US space program to achieve all that we did in 10-20 years? Would all of those advances have happened in Russia or China in their space programs? What would the US look like now had the Russian and Chinese made those discoveries and advances?


33 posted on 07/22/2018 2:15:54 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Life is a risk. exploration of the frontier was a risk. driving is a risk. Risk is inherent in everything we do. Why should manned space exploration be different?

Manned space exploration is very risky. There will always be a need for the government to contribute many dollars to space exploration initiatives that benefit all mankind. The government (NASA) is ultimately responsible to identify and correct the cause of mishaps.

As the government provides needed resources while distancing itself from oversight, there is added risk that NASA will be unable to get back on track when a serious setback occurs. They will have little or no in-house experience and expertise.

34 posted on 07/22/2018 9:52:50 AM PDT by olezip
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Build a new one and we own it
Build others at La Grange points
Take the high ground. Space Force


35 posted on 07/22/2018 9:59:05 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: olezip

Thanks, nice to hear from someone other than an FR curmudgeon.


36 posted on 07/22/2018 10:42:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Men have a right, as you put it, to have their ‘rights’ secure in space also.

Which in no way implies a "right" to force unwilling parties to pay for space activities.

Other than that, you are thinking penny-wise and pound foolish quibbling about a few billion in a multi-trillion dollar economy.

If it's such a puny amount, all the more reason to look to that multi-trillion dollar private sector to come up with it.

Corporations in space need to raise their own defenses against Russian and Chinese military space forces according to your idea. Corporations need to defend the US communications and GPS grid against all comers.

No, that's your straw man - I support defense spending wherever defense is needed.

You are neglecting to take into consideration the huge and rapid advances in all realms of technology which came directly out of the US manned space program. While some will argue that those things would have happened anyway - which in my opinion is fanciful thinking and a weak argument.

They don't have to prove it's true - if you want to pick their pockets for your pet program, you have to prove it's false, just as a first step.

37 posted on 07/22/2018 12:31:35 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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There will always be a need for the government

You mean the taxpayer.

to contribute many dollars to space exploration initiatives that benefit all mankind.

Textbook socialism.

38 posted on 07/22/2018 12:33:03 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Right! its time to feed the homeless and shelter the poor; snowflakes need more safe spaces.

The heck with Hope, Exploration that this country was founded on. It costs too much.

Let China, Russia, Europe, Japan, and India take the lead. We need to become Obama’s image of a third world country. Let’s go for it!


39 posted on 07/22/2018 12:45:46 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: NobleFree
Textbook socialism.

I see that you do not support taxpayer financed R&D.

What is the appropriate role, if any, for government sponsored research and development?

40 posted on 07/22/2018 1:28:15 PM PDT by olezip
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