It is... yes the guy was shoved, but the man who shoved him clearly was no longer attacking or engaging him in an intimidating manner once he was on the ground.
But don’t waste your breath on the argument here, too many will defend any gun use no matter how outrageous.
I am fully for self defense, but if this guy feels in fear for his life from a man who was backing away from him even before he was off the ground.. he’s a coward not a cause.
You two are correct. If the shover had continued to advance in a threatening manner, I could see SYG. But he didn't. Violence was over.
Some type of manslaughter at the very least. I don't even see how SYG could be twisted to cover a retreating perpetrator who only shoved and didn't present a fist, much less a weapon.
So when the guy approached the man who ended up on the ground didn't feel threatened?
For all he knew the guy stepping back was doing so because he was too close to kick him in the face before he could get up and would kick him after a step back. I've seen that happen several times over the years, maybe the shooter had, too.
Once it was obvious the man who did the pushing was intent on using force (in fact had used force right off the bat), you can't really say the man who was already physically attacked should be able to make the split second decision more force wasn't going to follow.
The shooter would have been a lot better off not arguing over the parking spot given the fact that police seldom if ever enforce restrictions anyway or at least done his commenting walking. Once he chose not to, though, what followed doesn't look nearly as clear cut as you make it out to be with 20/20 hindsight.
If you're the one who may be a second away from being kicked in the face you wait and see but don't expect anyone else who is shoved to the ground to see it the same way.
The key point is after the gun was drawn, the dude was retreating.
yes the guy was shoved, but the man who shoved him clearly was no longer attacking or engaging him in an intimidating manner once he was on the ground.
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I have to disagree. He was still walking toward him until he saw the gun.
However, there was also no reason to shoot him, as long as he was retreating from the gun.
The guy on the ground felt threatened. And who wouldn’t by a larger Billy who has already respond d overly aggressively to words?
You’re calling him a coward without even knowing his physical limitations?
I think that makes you something too, but I won’t call you those names.
Don’t give me that shuck and jive, yer showing yer cards
Says the guy is ho wasn’t just pushed to the ground and not there knowing what may come next. You lay there and wait for the cops. They’ll be there in 20 min or so....