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Trump Admin. Dumping ‘Roadless Rule’ to Log Los Padres Forest (BOOM!)
breitbart.com ^ | 8/9/2018 | Chris Street

Posted on 08/09/2018 9:45:20 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman

I'm doing this for the good of the forest sweetheart.

21 posted on 08/09/2018 10:13:52 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
😡. I downsized my gas cans from 5 gal to a one gal. Almost requires a degree in mech engineering to figure it out. A friggin' gas can! Over reg'd? Uh, yes.
22 posted on 08/09/2018 10:14:38 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Yes when I was growing up there was logging, ranching that kept the forests healthy. Of course there were fires, but not the inferno fires now. Loggers kept the trees thinned out, cattle and sheep grazing kept the brush and old grass down.

Our public lands have been horribly mismanaged and are in terrible shape. It was not the fault of the government in the beginning- there was a great relationship between government, loggers, ranchers. The lefties sued the government over and over- got many laws and regulations passed over the years. Now there are lefties in the Forest Service and BLM; that is who has been recruited for those jobs for many years. The lefties in those agencies will be hard to deal with to get our public lands back to being considered a resource and kept in a good condition.


23 posted on 08/09/2018 10:23:53 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Sacajaweau

The owls and other critters they claim to want to save were better off in the healthy forests, now they burn to a crisp in these inferno fires that burn so fast many critters cannot even get to safety.


24 posted on 08/09/2018 10:25:27 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: rktman
I recall reading someplace that a few bulb makers could get around the whole bulb issue by making 57 watt bulbs instead of 60 watt bulbs.

I'd go for 63 Watts.

25 posted on 08/09/2018 10:30:31 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rktman

Victor Davis Hansen has written on this. People used to take lots of the deadfall out to burn at home, now it’s a felony to take a twig back to your place.


26 posted on 08/09/2018 10:41:32 AM PDT by Kickaha (See the glory...of the royal scam)
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To: Rebelbase

Whew, blast from the past that one.


27 posted on 08/09/2018 10:45:20 AM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: rktman

I have to wonder why it took 21 years to figure out that this is the best way to manage forestry. Any judge that tries to stop this needs to be removed from office with no pay & no retirement. It’s way past high time that something was done about the idiots that have complicated this issue for the longest time.


28 posted on 08/09/2018 10:51:22 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Aevery_Freeman

My dad and his brother were in a CCC Camp in Montana (I think). My dad always spoke highly of the experience.


29 posted on 08/09/2018 10:51:31 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rktman

My dad and his brother were in the CCC.


30 posted on 08/09/2018 10:52:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rktman

Try a “gravity gas can”. They run around $40. Somebody found out how to run around the regs and make $$$. My kid jas a lawn biz and cusses every time he has to fill up. Gas runs everywhere. Dangerous!


31 posted on 08/09/2018 10:53:56 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: rktman

What most folks don’t know is the forestland is full of dead wood (kind of like our gubamints), just laying there rotting, rather than being harvested .. of course , greens will complain you have to disturb the forest to get to it.

I guess they’d rather see infernos devouring everything in their path, and due to dense growth , preventing access to fight those fires.

Greens profess to be stewards of the Earth yet always place roadblocks where common sense should apply instead of building them. Some stewards.


32 posted on 08/09/2018 10:57:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

A great way to give retired top Sargent’s a job if they are looking for one. Turning these ill-prepared and under educated people lose without strong supervision almost guarantees chaos/disaster.


33 posted on 08/09/2018 11:04:11 AM PDT by yoe (Mid-term vote for our Constitution.....not Socialism...keep on draining the swamp!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Lucky we ain't "most folks". 👹
34 posted on 08/09/2018 11:14:41 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

That is true. WE is not.

Pass the marshmallows so I can stick ‘em in the fire while we wait for the next natural disaster. In 3.. 2..

This is California after all,, combustible by choice.. just not our choice. ;-)


35 posted on 08/09/2018 11:25:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: rktman
From EarthJustice.org via PBS:

What is the Roadless Rule?
The Roadless Area Conservation Rule is administered by the U.S. Forest Service and protects the last remaining “wildlands” in our national forests. Implemented in 2001, during the last days of the Clinton administration, the Roadless Rule places about one-third of the national forests off limits to virtually all road building, logging and development.

Are roadless areas the same as wilderness areas?
Roadless areas are different than wilderness areas essentially because of the way the designated forest lands are managed. The 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule, unlike the establishment of wilderness areas, permits a wide range of activities in roadless areas. Permitted activities include timber harvesting for limited purposes, livestock grazing, off-highway vehicle use, and oil and gas development that do not require new roads to continue in roadless areas. Unlike wilderness areas, which are protected by Congress under the Wilderness Act, roadless areas do not have a final rule and have been prescribed individual state-specific rules as well as nationwide prohibitions under different administrations.

What is the background of the Roadless Rule?
The Roadless Rule was first issued by President Bill Clinton's administration in January 2001, as a national guideline, ending virtually all logging, road building and development in America's wildest remaining national forests. But, in 2004, the Bush administration issued a new state-by-state rule that would allow state governors to petition the U.S. Forest Service regarding how much land they want protected in their state. In 2005, Clinton's rule was officially abandoned leaving the use and protection of the land up to state governors. On September 20, 2006, a federal district court ordered reinstatement of the Clinton-era Roadless Rule to protect almost 50 million acres of wild national forests and grasslands from road building, logging and development. The Bush administration immediately appealed that decision and then went back to the states and asked them to resubmit their petitions and re-start the entire rulemaking process. On the same day, Idaho Gov. Jim Risch was the first governor to file a petition opposing most of the roadless rule protections, potentially affecting around 9 million acres of roadless land in his state. For a complete timeline of the rule visit EarthJustice.org

36 posted on 08/09/2018 11:35:38 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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Talk about liberal tears!

The Roadless Rule has been in place for almost 20 years, and kept there by an activist judge.

The rule is overly broad, has no scientific backing and has certainly contributed to the wildfire outbreaks we see every summer.

And yet it is treated as sacrosanct.

37 posted on 08/09/2018 11:45:56 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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Think “earth island” wildlife migration corridors” and all the “man and the biosphere” types want to shackle people with.


38 posted on 08/09/2018 11:54:51 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Rebelbase

If any of these nitwitty morons is one of your kids, please disown them and shun them. You have failed as a parent.


39 posted on 08/09/2018 12:17:50 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sacajaweau

The CCC (California Conservation Corpse) is still in existence and trains young people for jobs working in conservation and fire fighting.


40 posted on 08/09/2018 2:21:15 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460 (I'd rather be a conservative deplorable, then a democrat corruptible.)
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