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Speciation is not evolution. Rapid speciation is part of the creation model.
Creation Ministries International ^ | 8-18-18 | Joel Tay

Posted on 08/20/2018 8:50:34 AM PDT by fishtank

Speciation is not evolution. Rapid speciation is part of the creation model.

8-18-18

Joel Tay

J. C has accused CMI of being ignorant of science, evolution, and speciation. Typical for such commentators, he demonstrates a lack of understanding about what biblical creationists actually believe. We reproduce his letters to us below. CMI’s Joel Tay responds:

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; speciation

1 posted on 08/20/2018 8:50:34 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

From the article:

“The Biblical Creation model actually predicts and requires not just speciation, but rapid speciation!

Creationists believe that after the Flood, each animal kind (baramin) rapidly diversified, over just a few thousand years, often forming new species in the process.

But speciation is not evolution! In fact, we had written about how the rapid rate of speciation continues to astonish evolutionists in cases of new species of mosquitoes, weeds, and house mice.

The idea that creationists do not believe in the formation of new species is a strawman argument often put forth by uninformed evolutionists, and you yourself have fallen for that fallacy. In reality, anyone familiar with creationist literature would know that creationists reject the fixity of species—we even mention fixity of species as an argument creationists should not use!

Interestingly, the fixity of species was actually taught by Darwin’s anti-biblical mentor, Charles Lyell, and it has more to do with the teachings of Aristotle than the teaching of the Bible.”


2 posted on 08/20/2018 8:51:37 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

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3 posted on 08/20/2018 8:52:09 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Evolution is the change in the frequency with which a gene is expressed within a given population.


4 posted on 08/20/2018 8:56:15 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Don’t even bother trying to engage using logic.


5 posted on 08/20/2018 8:57:31 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: fishtank
Evolutionists push the crazy.

In their world, the crossover from asexual reproduction to sexual reproduction is a simple mutation. What is left unexplained is that in their millions of successive mutations, how TWO identical and compatible mutations occurred at the EXACT same time and in precisely the SAME microworld where they could begin their new "family."

It seems like evolution demands a high degree of faith.

6 posted on 08/20/2018 9:04:09 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: fishtank

I predict this thread will end up being an evolutionary dead-end.

As in “no thanks.”

But I am letting lurkers now many Conservatives do understand TToE and it just isn’t worth it to list all the fallacies in this rehash of all the old Creationist fallacies.

Have a blessed day.


7 posted on 08/20/2018 9:07:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: fishtank

Just look how rapid it was in humans. Over the course of what, about 1,000 years, the descendants of Noah developed the characteristics of sub-Saharan Africans, east Asians, south Asians aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Caucasians. I’ve always wondered which characterisrics of today’s populations most resemble those of Noah. Was he Black, White, Asian or some equal mix?


8 posted on 08/20/2018 9:09:40 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: freedumb2003

” ... old Creationist fallacies.”

Nice.


9 posted on 08/20/2018 9:14:58 AM PDT by Theo (FReeping since 1998 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Evolution requires a high degree of study and knowledge.


10 posted on 08/20/2018 9:49:21 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Moonman62

Evolution requires a willingness to believe the impossible.


11 posted on 08/20/2018 9:54:02 AM PDT by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: allblues

Here’s a theistic evolutionist who would disagree with you, and I bet he has far better qualifications when it comes to study and knowledge.

https://biologos.org/author/dennis-venema


12 posted on 08/20/2018 10:05:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: fishtank

Creationists believe that after the Flood, each animal kind (baramin) rapidly diversified, over just a few thousand years, often forming new species in the process.

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Not all Creationists. Weren’t baramin invented to justify the literal interpretation of Noah’s Ark?


13 posted on 08/20/2018 10:09:48 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: oincobx

>>Just look how rapid it was in humans. Over the course of what, about 1,000 years, the descendants of Noah developed the characteristics of sub-Saharan Africans, east Asians, south Asians aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Caucasians. I’ve always wondered which characterisrics of today’s populations most resemble those of Noah. Was he Black, White, Asian or some equal mix?

Don’t get hung up on Noah. Look to Babel for the answer to that.


14 posted on 08/20/2018 10:20:48 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: fishtank
At this rate creationists might as well finally get honest say that evolution is part of creation.
15 posted on 08/20/2018 10:39:40 AM PDT by Salman (A Democrat in the White House == A final solution to YOU.)
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To: fishtank

Trust man’s wisdom at your own detriment. God said He created everything and that it was good. Death didn’t come about until after the fall of man in the garden of Eden - so thus, no evolution for a creation process.

Any of you preaching Theistic evolution are preaching a Gospel not found in the Bible. You are calling God a liar at Genesis 1. Jesus said that for anyone teaching young Christians a lie, this is His promise to you: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. - Matt 18:6

Even 2 Peter 3:8, the day-to-thousands that Theistics love to quote, is curse upon you. Don’t believe me? Read the chapter in full. God does not forget His promises.

Don’t follow the lie. Don’t preach the lie. Repent and Trust God, for you can only serve God or man, not both. (Matt. 6)


16 posted on 08/20/2018 10:54:51 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Salman

In the Bible ...i believe it is jacob...uses the propensity of some animals to be artifically seperated by their coat color...so that kind of change or gene frequency has always been accepted...just the biochemical and physical chemical steps involved for mitosis to become meiosis is enough to make one have to guess how and WHY it happened. Really...no system alters it structures...interactions...synthesis,timing and control, left alone and persists. Please give it up. Find some other explanation if it is not God.


17 posted on 08/20/2018 11:59:16 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: fishtank

I find it interesting when they talk about present day mutation in genes. For them everything should be a mutation.


18 posted on 08/20/2018 8:32:50 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus? He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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To: VaeVictis; fishtank
VaeVictis: "Any of you preaching Theistic evolution are preaching a Gospel not found in the Bible."

Theistic evolution is not a "Gospel" and is not preached directly.
Rather, it's a theological overlay on science which simply says: nothing ever discovered or theorized by science is outside the realm God's Creations.
That includes evolution as simply one of God's tools for creating everything we see and perceive.

Theistic evolution does not say any particular scientific theory, hypothesis or brain-storming speculation is more true than any other, it only asserts that natural-science itself is an inquiry into God's works and intentions.
If evolution theory seems to be the best explanation today, so be it, but if tomorrow it's falsified by some new fact or explanation, then that new fact is also God's creation.

As a theological overlay Theistic Evolution can be taught to students in a classroom.
Preached from a pulpit, I would imagine it sounding something like this:

The pastor would then go on to cite Biblical verses praising God's creations and possibly ending with one of my favorite hymns: A good pastor never forgets why (s)he's there.
19 posted on 08/23/2018 1:59:10 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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