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The Jones Act And Duncan Hunter A Rebuttal
gCaptain ^ | 9-9-18 | Sal Mercogliano

Posted on 09/10/2018 11:58:46 AM PDT by fishtank

The Jones Act And Duncan Hunter – A Rebuttal

September 9, 2018

by Salvatore R. Mercogliano (Editorial)

Opponents of the American Maritime Industry and the Merchant Marine Act of 1920, known as the Jones Act, have new ammunition in their assault against this sector and legislation and it is Congressman Duncan Hunter. There is absolutely no defense for the actions taken by Congressman Hunter and he should be made accountable. However, his actions are not the responsibility of the American merchant marine or maritime sector.

(Excerpt) Read more at gcaptain.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; duncanhunter; hunter; jones; jonesact; maritime
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"About Sal Mercogliano Salvatore R. Mercogliano is an Campbell University in Buies Creek, North Carolina and teaches courses in World Maritime History and Maritime Security. He is also an adjunct professor with the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy and offers a graduate level course in Maritime Industry Policy. A former merchant mariner, he sailed and worked ashore for the U.S. Navy’s Military Sealift Command. His book, Fourth Arm of Defense: Sealift and Maritime Logistics in the Vietnam War, available through the Naval History and Heritage Command."
1 posted on 09/10/2018 11:58:46 AM PDT by fishtank
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2 posted on 09/10/2018 11:59:14 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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From the article:

“Why then does the United States still need the provision of an act passed nearly a century ago today?

Just because an act is old, does not mean it is still not relevant, after all the Constitution is 231 years old and still seems applicable.

What does a repeal of the Jones Act mean for the nation?

Well, foreign built vessels, registered in foreign nations, and with foreign crews could travel from American port to American port, along rivers, moving goods, resources, and people. If this was applicable to shipping, why not airlines, trucking companies, and railroads? While we do have foreign built aircraft and trucks operating in the United States, foreign airlines and freight companies are not allowed to operate within the confines of the nation. “


3 posted on 09/10/2018 12:00:19 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Need I say more???

4 posted on 09/10/2018 12:04:29 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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The Jones Act is applicable to some of the work I do.

I have no problem with keeping it in place, but I believe it should be modified so it is no longer applicable to ship movements between U.S. states where ships MUST cross international waters. It costs far less to ship a container from China to Los Angeles than from Hawaii to Los Angeles, even if the ship from China sails past Hawaii along its route. There's no reason for this.

5 posted on 09/10/2018 12:13:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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Can’t one ship a container from China to Hawaii now?

Or does Hawaii not have an international port?

Jones Act covers state-to-state, not furrin’ country to a state.


6 posted on 09/10/2018 12:17:00 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Right. Now look at it the other way. It costs something like $2,000 to ship a container from LA to China, and $9,000 to ship it to Honolulu. The Jones Act makes the LA-Honolulu trip so expensive because international ocean carriers can’t compete for that business.


7 posted on 09/10/2018 12:27:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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To: fishtank

Seem to some words missing in the first sentence of the bio.


8 posted on 09/10/2018 12:31:57 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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Same Jones--Sen.Wesley L. Jones (R-Wash.); different act--Increased Penalties Act (for violating prohibition).

Jones Law Blues--Bennie Moten's Kansas City Orchestra (1929)

Jones Law Blues--Shorty George (aka James "Stump" Johnson) (1929)

9 posted on 09/10/2018 12:33:15 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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Ok, but how much to ship from China to Hawaii?


10 posted on 09/10/2018 12:33:24 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Menehune56

Yeah,

not my fault.


11 posted on 09/10/2018 12:33:43 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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I first became aware of th Jones Act back in the late 70’s when I found out that the reason there were no hovercraft operating in the US, because the were none built in the US. Only US built ships are allowed to operate between US ports without a stop in a foreign port in between. I thought it was stupid to protect a lazy industry that didn’t want improve its products.


12 posted on 09/10/2018 12:52:28 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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I've seen rates posted between $5,400 and $6,800 for Shanghai-Honolulu.

Most of the big vessel operators out of China don't want to make port calls in Hawaii. The cargo volume is very low compared to the major West Coast ports.

13 posted on 09/10/2018 1:21:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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At first I thought that the Thread was about the Alex Jones mess.

Now I see it’s like for decades in Texas UPS was not allowed to take packages from one City to another City in the State. They could do Inner City package delivery and/or State to State.

This was due to the Texas Railroad Commission rules.

Oddly enough Greyhound or Trailways Bus Lines could do City to City Package Shipping. But- One had to drop off and pickup at the Bus Station.

Goofy crap...


14 posted on 09/10/2018 1:52:28 PM PDT by mabarker1 (congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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No one ships from LA to Hawaii. You could ship to China then back to Hawaii for half the cost. Or, even better, to Vancouver then Hawaii. Maybe even Larenzo Cardenas then Hawaii.


15 posted on 09/10/2018 2:09:44 PM PDT by RossA
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To: Paleo Conservative

BMW , Honda, Toyota all build cars here in the US.

If there is no supply-demand for hovercraft manufacturers to set up shop here, it’s cuz there might not be a market for HC ships - kind of like limited markets for high speed trains.


16 posted on 09/10/2018 2:23:22 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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At the end of WWII we had the largest and best merchant marine in the world. Now we have NADA due to greedy union bosses and out of control regulations.


17 posted on 09/10/2018 2:23:48 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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"No one ships from LA to Hawaii."

Really?

https://www.matson.com/matnav/services/hawaii.html

18 posted on 09/10/2018 2:28:20 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Does this explain why a cruise ship must stop in a foreign port? Alaska cruises that leave from Seattle have to make at least one stop in Canada, or they must leave from Vancouver, (Canada). Why?


19 posted on 09/10/2018 2:43:22 PM PDT by sportutegrl (Being offended is a choice.)
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They do now, but it’s hard to start on a small scale. How can you say there was no demand in the US when the barriers to entry in the US market were so high?

The hovercraft I was on was between Bolivia and Peru on Lake Titkaka at abou 13,000 feet. They had less than a handful of the boats. I don’t see how setting up a manufacturing subsidiary in the US is efficient for such small numbers. There was a subsidiary set up for building hovercraft based amphibious landing craft so the US Navy could land Marines on beaches, but it didn’t make any boats for civilian use in the US.


20 posted on 09/10/2018 3:40:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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