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Four distinguished experts tell the tragic and unconscionable inside story.
Editors note: Last Friday, Sept. 21, 2018, our nation, led by our president, solemnly marked National POW/MIA Recognition Day, during which we honored all American prisoners of war and expressed our deep gratitude and respect for what they endured and -- as empirical evidence suggests -- in some cases may very well be continuing to endure. Indeed, we pay tribute to those who never returned -- and, of course, also to their suffering families. In honor of this sacred day, Frontpage has deemed it important to run Jamie Glazov's Symposium Why We Left Our POWs Behind from our July 21, 2011 issue. Four distinguished experts tell a tragic and unconscionable inside story. We hope that our leadership and citizens will take serious action on this issue. We will always remember and we will never forget.
Symposium: Why We Left Our POWs Behind.
Four distinguished experts tell the tragic and unconscionable inside story.
By Jamie Glazov
In this special edition of Frontpage Symposium, we have assembled a panel of four distinguished guests to reveal the tragic truth about what really happened to our POWs. Our guests today are:
Dr. Joseph Douglass, an investigator who has been engaged mainly in learning what happened to thousands who were left behind in the hands of various Communist captors. His work led to the identification of the one former Communist official who was personally involved in the efforts to capture American soldiers and what their captors did to them and correlating this with other information. He is the author of the book Betrayed, a comprehensive account of the abandonment of American POWs and their subsequent betrayal by the U.S. government.
Jay Veith, the author of Code-Name Bright Light: The Untold Story of U.S. POW Rescue Efforts During the Vietnam War. He has appeared on Fox News and other radio and TV stations, and testified twice on the POW/MIA issue before the U.S. House of Representatives. He has been invited to speak at the American Legion National Conference, the National League of POW/MIA Families and National Alliance of Families annual meetings, and many other venues. His latest book, Black April: The Fall of South Vietnam, 1973-75, will be published in November 2011 by Encounter Books.
Michael D. Benge, a former POW in North Vietnam (1968-1973). He is now a board member of the National Alliance of Families for the Return of America's Missing Servicemen and Women WWII - Korean - Cold War - Vietnam War - Persian Gulf. The organization is having its annual meeting on July 21-23, 2001 at the Holiday Inn National Airport, Washington, DC.
Bill Dumas, a filmmaker in Los Angeles and former Fellow at the American Film Institute. He is the producer of Missing, Presumed Dead: The Search For America's POWs.
FP: Dr. Joseph Douglass, Jay Veith, Michael D. Benge and Bill Dumas, welcome to Frontpage Symposium.
Jay Veith, lets begin with you.
What is the best way to start a panel discussion on Americas missing POWs? Share with us your expertise on this issue and what your research has led you to discover.
Veith: I think there are several threads one must review concurrently to understand this tragedy. First, what do we know of Communist policy regarding POWs? Were they trying to exploit them for propaganda or other security related areas? If so, what does that mean for post-war releases or non-releases? Second, what evidence do we have for the Communist's withholding American POWs after the end of various conflicts? Lastly, how cooperative have these Communist governments been over the years in providing answers about our missing men? I think that if one looks at this great mystery from those perspectives, i.e., motive, evidence, and lack of cooperation, one is led to the conclusion that American POWs have been secretly held back by different regimes for different purposes. One can get lost in a maze trying to unravel what happened to various individuals, but if you step back and look at the whole picture, I think a clear outline emerges of a deliberate policy to hold back prisoners. I'm curious what my colleagues think.
FP: Bill Dumas, how would you begin to approach the pertinent questions Jay Veith raises?
Dumas: These are three key points that Jay raises. The question is, on what stage does this discussion take place? As Joe Douglass states in my documentary film, our government doesn't acknowledge leaving POWs behind, therefore there's nothing to look for (nothing to talk about.) It's remarkable that so few of our legislators know so little (if anything) about the POW/MIA issue. And when they become informed and sincerely try to investigate the situation they almost always hit a wall and drop their pursuit. That "wall" is usually the Pentagon's DPMO (Defense Department POW/Missing Personnel Office.)
DPMO has two main functions. One is the recovery of remains mostly in SE Asia and North Korea. Many dedicated individuals at DPMO do a great job in that capacity. The other function of DPMO (performed by what could be referred to as the "shadow DPMO" - the long-term bureaucrats who handhold the revolving door, Presidentially appointed DASDs [Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense] who operate as figureheads of the office.) Their mission is to ensure the American public (and maybe more so, the currently serving military personnel) that we do not leave soldiers behind.
Last year I received an email from Ron Paul asking if I would talk to Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina (I was a senior staffer for the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential campaign and I inspired Ron to talk about POW/MIAs in several campaign rally speeches). Rep. Jones had just learned that POW/MIAs were abandoned in SE Asia and N. Korea. He was outraged and was intent on getting to the bottom this issue. We had a long phone conversation and I gave him the Reader's Digest version of the POW/MIA story. Rep. Jones went to lengths assuring me that he is the kind of person that will not back off of an issue he commits himself to. He said that absolutely he would do what he had to do to resolve this enormous national tragedy.
Knowing that Rep. Jones would be contacting DPMO for the official government position on the status of our POW/MIAs (i.e. "There are none except those who died on the battlefield.") I wrote an email to Rep. Jones giving him a primer on the function of DPMO and the reasons to be cautious of their PR narrative. I also sent him supporting documents, my documentary film DVD and a document I wrote a while back titled, "Korean War POW/MIA Peace Treaty Initiative" which proposes that no peace treaty be signed with North Korea before the POW/MIA issue is negotiated and resolved (this was the main unresolved issue that prevented a peace treaty from being signed in 1953). I also told him it was imperative that H. Res. 111 be brought to the floor for a vote, which if passed, would create a House select committee to investigate the POW/MIA issue. Hopefully a House Select Committee would complete the job that the Senate Select Committee in the early 1990s refused to do but instead skimmed over the evidence and swept it back under the carpet. And by the way, many were able to blame Nancy Pelosi for not bringing this bill to the floor for a vote even though the bill continues to acquire over 260 co-sponsors year after year. But why is John Boehner following in her footsteps?
Rep. Jones said we would talk again on the phone after he reviewed all the materials I was sending. That was over a year ago. I never heard back from Rep. Jones. I finally wrote him a long letter asking for an explanation of his abandoning his investigation and I had Ron Paul hand deliver the letter to him. Still I received no response. The only word I received from Rep. Jones' office was copy of a letter he authored that was sent to David Gompert, Acting Director of National Intelligence, requesting the declassification of all documents pertaining to POW/MIAs. The letter was also signed by Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Jim McGovern.
That letter was dated June 23, 2010. I never heard anything more about the letter or any response from David Gompert.
The nagging question for me is, what is the mechanism that completely shuts down any attempt by our legislators to take up the POW/MIA issue? What does DPMO say to inquiring Congressional leaders that stops them in their tracks? And not just legislators but also top-tiered journalists excited to find such a potentially explosive story. I've seen this scenario repeated over and over to the same end.
So, back to Jay's points. These are critical issues in beginning the dialogue that will hopefully resolve the POW/MIA dilemma. Unfortunately, what we have is more of a monologue than a dialogue. We know the issues, we have the evidence and documentation. But we don't have the government participants for a dialogue.
I'd like to throw that ball to Dr. Douglass who also stated in the documentary that any solution to finding abandoned POW/MIAs would have to happen outside of government. (Perhaps later we can talk about private missions underway today in the search for POW/MIAs - without jeopardizing those operations - at least the legitimate ones.)
I have had encouraging dialogue with Sen. Dick Lugar's staff as has my uncle Bob Dumas whose brother was last seen alive in N. Korea when the war ended but never came home. Last week I received a statement written by Lugar and read at the Korean War Memorial in Washington, DC by foreign relations staffer Keith Luse. It called on North Korea to account for POW/MIAs including live POW/MIAs. It's very rare to hear any government official even imply the possibility there is a live POW/MIA being held anywhere in the world.
Lastly, yesterday in the LA Times Sen. John Kerry called for direct negotiations with the North Koreans and they should start with the recovery of POW/MIAs remains. There seemed to be a hint of including the issue of live POWs, though you'd be hard pressed to make that argument. This position by Kerry is rather ironic since he was such an obstacle in the Senate select committee hearings on POW/MIAs that he chaired in the early 1990s. During those hearings Bob Dumas testified that the only way to communicate with the North Koreans is through one-on-one dialogue on the Executive level. He should know, he's probably had more conversations with the North Korean ambassadors to the DPRK U.N. Mission than any other American. And now, twenty years later our government may be starting to understand how to communicate with the North Koreans.
Benge: Its unfortunate that so many nations dont play by the Marcus of Queensbury rules or those of the Geneva Convention on POWs. There are too many nations which in the first place socially/culturally have little regard for human life in the first place, and then this inhumanity is compounded by the brutality of political regimes such as Nazism, communism, and jihadism and then superimposed upon this societal weakness. Then to add fuel to the fire you have individual vindictiveness with the desire to make people suffer even more by seeking revenge for some perceived wrong against themselves, their people or their country.
To further compound the problem, in past conflicts/wars much of the time, the US has not been the clear winner, leaving us with little or no bargaining power. Although the US and its allies won the war against the Germans in WWII, we capitulated to the Russians regarding the US and Allied POWs that were captured by the Germans and recaptured by the Russians in their sector of operations. There was/is little bargaining power with the Koreans/China on recovering POWs because that war was a stalemate. Regarding the Vietnam War, although the US pretty well won it militarily, we lost it politically; therefore, we were in a very weak position to bargain further for our POWs, and the politicians again sold out the POWs and basically sent the message to the Communist Vietnamese that the U.S. government was pretty well satisfied with what we got. After all, werent the POWs just expendable, since none of them were sons of major politicians? Few could care less (e.g., Eisenhowers decision regarding American POWs captured in Germany by the Russians). We have the DPMO (The Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office) on record that they will not ask the North Koreans about live POWs, since their mission is a humanitarian one for the recovery of remains.
While I was a POW, the NVA repeatedly told me that they were going to hold some of us forever and someday try us in a Nuremberg-like trial for our war crimes. Did I believe the vindictive bastards? You betchum Red Rider. After I was released, I was told that my name did not appear on the first couple of NVA lists of POWs at the Paris conference. Do I believe POWs were left behind. Yes. Are some still alive? Chances are, yes. How many? Who knows, for DOD has told so many lies about the number of MIAs/POWs. Are they being held in Vietnam? I do not believe so. More probable they are being held in NVA-held territory in Laos, to give Hanoi plausible deniability. However, I can assure you they arent being held in Billy Hendons so-called underground prison in Hanoi. The facility he is talking about is the standard issue for all communist and fascist regimes that are aided by Russia in the form of a deep hardened bunker for the top Echlon of communist governments, such as the one for Saddam Husseins in Iraq.
DOD is not looking for POWs, only remains, and many of their staff were/are enablers who provided cover for the NVA, and should never have received security clearances for those positions. After Bill Bell testified on live POWs at the Kerry/McCain charade, he was fired from his position as head of the POW/MIA office in Hanoi. Bill tried to get funds to buy information and photographs on POW/MIAs, on the cheap, but DOD wouldnt give him any. Rather, DIA collaborated with the NVA to write the book Inside Hanois Archives and much of what was in it Bill could have bought on the street.
There were a bunch of snakes, posing as investigators, working for DOD on the POW/MIA issue both in Washington and in Hanoi. Several of them quit and received high paying jobs in Hanoi working for American companies in Hanoi, such as Caterpillar and GE, when it was illegal for them to do business in Hanoi. Another one was married to a North Vietnamese honey pot, whos sister (I believe) was married to a French defector who worked for the Bureau for Enemy Proslitization that was in charge of POWs. Another evaluated the Cuban Program in which a number of American POWs were severely tortured by the Cubans, and said it was just an English Language instruction program that had gone awry. Then you have the liars Kerry, McCain and Pete Peterson (former POW and US Ambassador to Hanoi), who repeatedly testified and stated that Hanoi was fully cooperating on resolving the POW/MIA issue. To this day, DPMOs investigators have never gotten the records of, nor access to, the archives of the Bureau for Enemy Proslitization.
Gentlemen, its a stacked deck.
Douglass: Stacked deck is a good way to describe the problem.
There has been a national policy going back to the 1920s to hide the crimes of the Communists, especially Russian Communists. One of the best statements of this is found in the Black Book of Communism (Harvard University Press 1997). This was a book based on the investigation of half a dozen French academics, all former Communists or close fellow travelers. As stated by the lead editor, Stephane Courtois, in the introductory chapter:
The extraordinary attention paid to Hitlers crimes is entirely justified. It respects the wishes of the surviving witnesses, it satisfies the needs of researchers trying to understand these events, and it reflects the desire of moral and political authorities to strengthen democratic values. But the revelations concerning Communist crimes cause barely a stir. Why is there such an awkward silence from politicians? Why such a deafening silence from the academic world regarding the Communist catastrophe, which touched the lives of about one-third of humanity on four continents during a period spanning eighty years?[i]
To better understand what lies behind the cover-up, consider what is implicit in the silence of politicians and academics. When the politicians are silent, there is a reason. They know that speaking out will not bring them good press and, indeed, may signal the end of their careers. Just consider what has happened to the careers of those whom the news media labeled anti-Communist. Similarly, when the academics are not addressing an issue of such a magnitude, there is also a reason. In this case, there are several reasons; to wit, major foundations that sponsor their research for example, the Ford, Rockefeller, and Carnegie foundations are not funding anti-Communist research, main-stream publishers are not publishing anti-Communist works, and the news media are not reviewing the books nor promoting the issue.
Additionally, silence is only one of the problems, equally in use to hide the crimes are lies, deception, burying data, and simple denial, as demonstrated in the efforts of CIA officials in the 1970s and 1980s to kill consideration of the Soviet role in organizing and supporting international terrorism.
Another example of this policy was White House directives not to confront the Russians respecting the missing American prisoners of war during and following World War II. The policy stated that with respect to Americans liberated from German prison camps by the Russians, there would be no criticism of treatment by the Russians.[ii] This was followed by a direction on April 1 that there would be no retaliatory action to Russian failure to cooperate.[iii] None of these were spur-of-the-moment decisions. The United States and British had known at least since October 1944 that the Russians were most unlikely to turn over more than a token number of American prisoners of war.[iv]
As described in Moscow Bound[v] and Soldiers of Misfortune[vi], the moment of truth came only weeks after V-E day when American, British, and Soviet negotiators met at Halle, Germany, to negotiate the prisoner of war problem. The conference ended on May 22. The Americans were permitted to visit the POW camp at Reisa. Permission to visit four other German POW camps where Americans were held was rescinded the next day. Only 4,165 American prisoners, all from Reisa, were released out of 25,000.
What took place afterwards is succinctly described in Soldiers of Misfortune as follows: After the Halle exchange ended, the United States and Britain knew that documents must be manufactured to downgrade the numbers. They had to provide a plausible explanation that would stand the test of time and permanently bury the 23,500 Americans and 31,000 British non-returnees.[vii] These are directives signed first by President Roosevelt, and later by President Harry Truman.
Lower level directives have been identified from the Korean War and from President Nixon following the Vietnam War when he stated that all our POWs had been returned, although this was clearly known to not be the case.
Following the end of the Cold War in 1989-1991, U.S. policy as explained by Robert Gates in an interview with Robert Buchar in Reality be Damned. The U.S., in coordination with talks with First Secretary Gorbachev, agreed to remain silent and not get involved in the Soviet Union to Russia transition, because they (U.S. leaders Bush, Gates, and Rice) did not want to risk upsetting the transition to a democratic Russia. To further cement-in this policy, the head of the CIAs Operations Directorate was directed to close down listening posts, safe houses, and associated intelligence collection directed against the former Soviet Union and related Eastern European satellites. Likewise, the FBI removed 1000 of its agents from their tasks in watching the Soviet Union and reassigned them to the ever present street crime task. The fight against Communism and its history of crimes came to a swift and quiet end.
What was also killed in the process was work underway to expose a myriad of covert Russian intelligence operations to attack and destroy the U.S. during the Cold War, or perhaps more realistically, under cover of the Cold War. These attacks were designed to destroy the U.S. from within, via numerous mechanisms such as narcotics trafficking, organized crime, terrorism, and a wide array of various attacks that, in effect, constituted a broad-base Cultural War designed to undermine from the inside American strengths such as our industries, religious beliefs, education, unions, law& order, and political processes to facilitate the growth of corruption, crime, and compromise within the U.S., including within the leadership elite. Major propaganda offensives were unleashed in parallel to mask the source of these activities and seriousness of their growth, which has continued following the so-called end of the Cold War.
Why there was a special effort to help the POW/MIA issue die a slow death was the underlying magnitude of the issue thousands of American GIs an officers knowingly left behind and the truth of what happened to them, which was their valuable use as human guinea pigs to the Russian and Chinese intelligence services to test ability of U.S. soldiers to withstand the rigors of nuclear war (which involved extensive physical and mental torture), to test the effectiveness of new chemical and biological warfare agents on U.S. soldiers, to train hundreds of trained agents to insert back in the U.S., and to learn more about the effects of atomic radiation on the human body and exposing scores of Americans to actual atomic boom effects. How could anyone associated with such knowledge not undertake whatever was required to bury such horrible information? All such knowledge had to be suppressed.
FP: Thank you Joe Douglass.
In this last round I would like our guests to comment on the contributions of the others, to give some more evidence of what they know about our missing POWs and, finally, to tell us what, if anything, can still be done and what those who want to make a change can do.
Veith: My fellow contributors all make valuable points. I've always focused more on the perpetrators, i.e., the Communist governments, rather than on the enablers, i.e., the United States government bureaucracy and elected officials. After so many years in this issue, I agree with my old friend Dr. Douglass that the best option for uncovering the truth lies in private missions. Despite the great opportunity for fraud inherent in such operations, if you think about it, most of the stunning POW/MIA revelations of the last twenty years have come from private investigators. Think of the 1205 document and many others. Bob Dumas' long search for his brother, and his attempts at interaction with North Korean officials, are also commendable and quite frankly, awe-inspiring.
I also agree that not only is the deck stacked, but would propose that since the Senate Select Committee, interest in the POW/MIA issue has dramatically dropped. How then, to revive it? It seems to me that well-defined, on-going research that produces documented evidence of these crimes is one way. Perhaps HR 111, if finally enacted, might be another. I had great hopes that the JCSD (Joint Commission Support Directorate, the section that searches for evidence that American POWs were taken to the Soviet Union) might uncover evidence in Russian archives, but the DPMO (Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office) managed to derail that effort. Perhaps my fellow contributors are unaware that the new head at the Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office, Robert Newberry, recently defunded what was becoming a promising inquiry by JCSD within Ukrainian military archives. Moreover, the US government just spent several million dollars on a new software system to help facilitate information sharing between the JPAC (Joint Prisoner/Missing Accounting Command, the unit based in Hawaii that conducts the investigations and crash site investigations), and DPMO, a project that simply boggles my mind.
Lastly, in terms of private efforts, there are several organizations dedicated to locating and helping JPAC recover crashed aircraft, mostly of the WWII variety. Moore's Marauders, Bent Prop, and a few others are doing work in this area. I also know of several people doing research on Korea and elsewhere, but they are lone individuals doing it on their own time and money. Perhaps what is needed is for someone to attempt to bring everyone together to share research and knowledge.
FP: Jay Veith, what is the 1205 document?
Veith: The 1205 document was a report discovered in the Russian archives shortly after the Soviet Union disintegrated. The report, ostensibly by a North Vietnamese general named Tran Van Quang to the Politburo, claimed that they held 1205 American prisoners. This was far greater than was generally acknowledged at the time, and far more than was released in 1973.
FP: Bill Dumas, your final comments? And tell us why something like 1205 document isnt a huge story -- an undying huge story -- throughout our media and literary culture, which it should be.
Dumas: It's difficult to understand why the discovery of the 1205 document doesn't make the day's top story in the media. When we talk about our free press, those of us working on issues that are stamped "conspiracy theory" understand that we have a limited free press, something I wouldn't have believed when I received my BA in journalism in the late '70s.
When we engage in a discussion about the media suppression of the POW/MIA issue we inevitably point fingers at the CFR (Counsel on Foreign Relations) as an explanation of the kind of an all-encompassing entity that can actually control the fourth estate. Most journalists would discount this censorship notion even as their stories (should they happen upon a forbidden subject such as POW/MIAs) are squelched by their editor/publishers.
During the 2008 presidential campaign Pulitzer Prize journalist, Sydney Schanberg (who exposed the "Killing Fields" massacre in Cambodia) could not get his expose of John McCain published in any of the major dailies. Finally, "The Nation" printed the story. And when that issue hit the stands, the POW/MIA issue should have been thrust front and center in the media. Instead McCain's betrayal of our POW/MIAs registered not even a blip on the political news radar.
Had this been an isolated incident it could somehow have been explained away (i.e. McCain's military record as sacred cow) but the fact that it happens over and over again points to a conspiracy that is beyond "theory."
Jay brought up some disturbing information about policy changes at the Defense Prisoner Missing Personnel Office (DPMO), under new director Robert Newberry. When Newberry was first appointed by Obama I spoke with him about my Korean War POW/MIA Peace Treaty Initiative. He was very supportive of the idea. Here is the email he sent me after he reviewed the initiative:
This looks like a good initiative and it certainly makes sense. We should most assuredly learn from the past. Let me review it more thoroughly with my staff and I will get back to you. I added Ed Frothingham to this e-mail, he is my Principal Director.
I knew once his handlers got a hold of the Initiative, Newberry would have to backpedal and make sure the Initiative didnt see the light of day. Heres his follow-up response. And look how fast they instituted damage control. Nothing happens that fast in that office.
I appreciated the opportunity to read your draft. We would offer one recommendation. The issue you raise was also evident in the peace negotiations with the North Vietnamese from 1968 to 1973. The part that POWs and MIAs played in the negotiations was examined by the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and there is a good account of it in pages 6- 14 of the Executive Summary of the Committees report (Senate Report 103-1, January 13, 1993). The Summary may provide information useful for your initiative.
That said, as part of the Department of Defense, we are not in a position to endorse or co-sponsor your initiative. I personally do want to assure you of the importance the Department attaches to the accounting for our missing personnel and your efforts to assist.
This is such a pile of useless, political-ease nonsense. My documentary film is partly about the travesty that was the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He said he watched the film. How, with a straight face, can he suggest I look at the Select Committee report?
A few years back I met with Newberry's predecessor, Ambassador Charles Ray. We had a a face-to-face meeting for over an hour and a half. Again, like Newberry, his initial response was favorable pending review by his "staff". And again that's when it got shut down.
His final word on the matter was to speak with Congress about it because that's where DPMO gets their marching orders. Of course when you go to Congress, our legislators first start looking into the issue by inquiring at DPMO. And what they're told by DPMO is that they have no evidence of live POW/MIAs. So essentially, DPMO stops any possibility of ever getting marching orders from Congress. And so the revolving door continues to spin insuring no further action on the matter.
Right now my only hope within government rides with Sen. Lugar's office because right now they at least seem to be skeptical of what DPMO is telling them.
For a private initiative on the Korean War front, maybe some "journalist" will walk into North Korea, get captured and one of our former presidents will run over there on a rescue mission. And maybe that "journalist" could say, "I'm not leaving without our POWs." Then see our red-faced former president save face.
FP: Thank you Bill Dumas. Tell us how McCain betrayed our POW/MIAs.
Dumas: McCain was intent of being the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in the early 90s. Bob Dole thought better of that prospect and wisely chose Sen. Bob Smith who as one of only a few Senators on the committee who wholeheartedly worked to bring all the evidence of abandoned POWs into the open to conduct a full investigation.
As Sen. Smith would later say, "We never finished the job" and the committee was disbanded a year after it began its work. Only one day of the hearings focused on the Korean War. (Since one of the Clinton administration's top priorities was to normalize relations with Vietnam, the POW panel needed to go away. Also, co-chair, Sen. John Kerry's wife's family landed the largest ever real estate deal with Vietnam shortly after the hearings ended - see Sydney Schanberg's revealing story in The Village Voice during the 2004 presidential campaign).
It was clear to all the POW/MIA advocates and investigators that John McCain was more of an obstacle to the process which seemed an odd contradiction since he was a POW in Vietnam. McCain would essentially tell witnesses like retired Col. Phillip Corso, who was President Eisenhower's POW/MIA liaison during the Korean War, that he was lying when he said the President (on Corso's recommendation) decided to abandon American POWs who were transferred to the Soviet gulags (possibly over 1200 POWs and at least 800.) McCain based his accusation that Corso was wrong about that assertion solely based on McCain's feeling that "Eisenhower wouldn't do that." (Ironically, during the Senate hearings, McCain treated his North Vietnamese POW camp interrogator like he was his best friend and gave him a hug after his testimony. And then brought the sister of an American MIA pilot to tears with his brutal and insulting questioning of her before the panel.)
Aside from McCain's despicable treatment of POW/MIA family members and advocates, he was able to use a stealth tactic to slip though an amendment to a Senate bill that would keep millions of government records pertaining to POW/MIAs classified. And this was at the same time that Sen. Smith and others were attempting to declassify these documents to help in the research of abandoned POWs. Clearly there are no national security concerns in keeping these documents classified.
McCain benefited directly from his actions because his stealth bill would insure that his POW records would never be declassified even after he and all his next of kin are no longer alive. The question is, why would McCain go to such extreme lengths to keep his records classified? Could it be that the records reveal an alternate version of the carefully crafted and exploited "war hero" story that McCain has meticulously cultivated. As an aside, it should be noted that before McCain served in Vietnam his top ambition was to be President of the United States.
For details about McCain's "betrayal" of POW/MIA go to: McCainBetraysPOWs.com.
Benge: I agree with all of the contributors' statements and have little more to say except perhaps a couple of things related to the 1205 document mentioned by Jay. I wrote an article, POW/MIAs: Don't Ask, Don't Tell for publication in the Washington Times a little after Bill Gertz's article State Department accused of stifling POW-MIA Probe was published on 1/12/99. In it, I mentioned the failure of DPMO Russian division to investigate a case I reported (based on an FBIS report and an article in Pravda) regarding US Army Sergeant Jim Patrick captured at the at the Elbe River in Germany in May of 1945.
After the discovery of the 1205 document, a Russian archivist stated that there were a larger number of similar documents in the archives; however, the Americans weren't interested in them. The Russian archivist was immediately "silenced." A Russian parliamentarian stated that during a meeting in Moscow last month (probably December 98) "...we were told by your government, your State Department, not to pursue these issues." In June 1992, Russian President Boris Yeltsin arriving in the US made a stunning revelation on Dateline NBC that American POWs had been taken to the Soviet Union: "Our archives have shown this to be true." Immediately the UAG launched a concert effort to debunk Yelsin, first the Administration claimed that Dateline had translated Yeltsin's remarks incorrectly. After the translation was verified, Yeltsin was then accused of having drunk too much Vodka and had misspoke. He too was silenced. A former member of the US-Russian Joint Commission on POW/MIAs told me that after Yeltsin returned to Russia, a cable was sent by DOD/State warning him that further revelations on POWs could jeopardize aid to Russia.
Later, KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin, a classic spy master and Soviet disinformation officer (control officer for the honey pot scandal in the State Department), stated several times, once on Australian TV, that he had "interviewed" a rather large number of American POWs in Hanoi after 1975. For his silence, he was given a green card and now owns half-interest in the spy museum in DC.
And the band plays on.
FP: This is very depressing.
Joe Douglas, last word goes to you.
Douglass: One of the characteristics a reader will find in the POW/MIA non-fiction literature (now 25 to 30 books, several documentaries, and numerous op-ed pieces) is a noticeable common belief reached by dozens of independent researchers. This belief is also present in the above discussion and is reflected the cry of Foul! in their analyses of the U.S. governments handling of this issue and the no-nonsense charges of cover-up and thousands of missing POW/MIAs who were knowingly left behind. This cry is accompanied by a tremendous number of high-quality facts. What is also clear is the gradual emergence of additional facts, rarely given any presence in the press or government announcements, respecting these American soldiers who were knowingly left behind.
Sooner or later, with luck and unwitting publicity, some survivors may emerge and gain the publicity they deserve. Should this take place, as has already been the case in select cases, it will not be accompanied by any positive media exposure because of what they tell us about both our government and the Soviets and Russians government. Those who returned have been threatened and told to keep quiet, and discredited by a number of official professional Washington actors.
Thus, in their absenceand presence even more so should some more returnthose whose curiosity has been set in motion are invited to carefully read one of the best eye-opening examples of what one well-placed insider within the U.S. government had to say in writing in his resignations about our governments duplicity. I refer to the well-decorated former Army Green Beret solder, Col. Millard Peck, who also volunteered to head the Defense Intelligence Agency POW-MIA office that was responsible for actions respecting the missing POW/MIAs. After two years he quit in disgust. His resignation is available on the Internet and in a Senate Republican Staff report, An Examination of U.S. Policy Toward POW/MIAs, and as an appendix in my book, Betrayed. This Senate report, short and to the point, another government first, was widely distributed by Senator Helms staff beginning on May 23,1991, ultimately 120,000 copies. It was not long before those in charge got to Helms, who then fired all those responsible. This short report is what forced the formation of a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in 1992, to learn the truth (that is, bury the issue for good).
Also, for those who are interested in what the highest positioned Communist defector ever knew first-hand about what happened to a major portion of the American POW/MIAs who never returned, and why the US Government tried to silence and discredit this defector, his story is presented in full in Betrayed and in several articles readily available on the Internet (See, for example, Remembering Those We Left Behind), including a detailed report submitted to the House Armed Forces Personnel Subcommittee in testimony given under oath by the above key Communist official, Col. Phil Corso, and myself in September 1996.
But, beware. None of the books, op-ed pieces, and articles that tell the truth (rather than try to deny what happened or bury the truth) are easy reading because of the horrendous message they tell about our governments propaganda: that none of our military men were knowingly left behindalive! They all tell the story of betrayal. The trail of finding the truth starts with the following legacy accumulated by 2002:
Larry J. ODaniel: Missing In Action: Trail of Deceit (1979).
Bill Paul: Robert Garwood Says Vietnam Didnt Return Some American POWs and numerous other Wall Street Journal articles (1984-1991).
Monica Jensen-Stevenson: 60 Minutes, Dead or Alive (1985).
Ted Landreth: We Can Keep You Forever Video (1987) Distribution in the U.S. blocked by the White House.
John M. G. Brown and Thomas G. Ashworth: A Chain of Prisoners: From Yalta to Vietnam (1988).
Monica Jensen-Stevenson and William Stevenson: Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam (1990).
Foreign Relations Republican Staff, U.S. Senate Committee: An Examination of U.S. Policy Toward POW/MIAs (1991).
Nigel Cawthorne: The Bamboo Cage: The Full Story of the American Servicemen still held hostage in South-East Asia (1991).
Dorothy McDaniel: After the Heros Welcome: A POW Wifes Story of the Battle Against a New Enemy (1991).
Ted Landreth: Missing in Action: The Soviet Connection Australian 60 Minutes Video (1991-1992).
Red McDaniel (American Defense Institute): Americans Abandoned Video (1992).
Sydney H. Schanberg: Numerous Newsday articles (1991-1993)
James D. Sanders, Mark A. Sauter, and Cort Kirkwood: Soldiers of Misfortune: Washingons Secret Betrayal of American POWs in the Soviet Union (1992).
John M. G. Brown: Moscow Bound: Policy, Politics and the POW/MIA Dilemma (1993).
Mark Sauter and Jim Sanders: The Men We Left Behind: Henry Kissinger, the Politics of Deceit and the Tragic Fate of POWs After the Vietnam War (1993).
Laurence Jolidon: Last Seen Alive: The Search for Missing POWs from the Korean War (1995).
Craig Roberts: The Medusa File, (1997).
Frank Anton: Why Didnt You Get Me Out, (1997).
Monika Jensen-Stevenson: Spite House: The Last Secret of the War in Vietnam (1997).
George J. Veith: Code-Name Bright Light (1998).
Timothy N. Castle: One Day Too Long: Top Secret Site 85 and the Bombing of North Vietnam (1999).[viii]
Larry ODaniel: Trails of Deceit (2000).
Philip D. Chinnery: Korean Atrocity: Forgotten War Crimes 1950-1953 (2000).
Steve E. Kiba: The Flag: My Story, Kidnapped by Red China (2002).
And several more added since the above list was compiled, most notably Bill Dumas' excellent documentary on the Korean War men left behind.
Unfortunately, this issue and its handling has been an enormous national disgrace going back to WWII and even WWI. This is message that all of the discussants above are trying to explain in this virtual town meeting. Also in common, we all give our thanks to our host Dr. Jamie Glazov and Front Page for helping to get this message out.
FP: Thank you Joe Douglass.
Before we depart, Bill Dumas can you kindly give us the link where we can watch your documentary or order it?
Dumas: My documentary film that contains a DVD Extra on McCain is available at MissingPresumedDead.com The DVD can be purchased there or viewed streaming online at vimeo.com. Please don't purchase the alternative version of the DVD on Amazon or Ebay. These DVDs are the result of a bad distribution deal that flooded the discount DVD wholesalers and I don't see any revenue from these sales. The official DVD is a blue cover.
Thank you, Jamie, for making this forum happen to keep alive the fight to find our POW/MIAs and prevent the repeat of abandoning our soldiers. It was an honor participating in the discussion with Dr. Douglass, Mike Benge and Jay Veith.
FP: Thank you Bill Dumas.
We also encourage all of our readers to read Joe Douglasss article, Remembering Those We Left Behind.
Dr. Joseph Douglass, Jay Veith, Michael D. Benge and Bill Dumas, thank you so much for joining Frontpage Symposium to discuss this tragic and appalling story.
[i] Black Book of Communism, emphasis added, pp. 17-18.
[ii] Ibid., p. 204.
[iii] Ibid., p. 205. The JCS memo that spelled this out was dated 1 April, 1945. As identified in Soldiers of Misfortune, Ambassador Harriman advised the Secretary of State only a few weeks before, no arguments will induce the Soviets to live up to our interpretation of the agreement except retaliatory measures which affect their interests. p. 57.
[iv] Secretary of War Henry Stimson noted in a memo the Russian threats not to turn over American prisoners. This was also clear from the Russian position that all Russian citizens were to be repatriated, which included all former Russians who had fled Russia and taken up citizenship in other countries. Roosevelt agreed to this, and only reluctantly excepted former Russian citizens in the United States after several top officials complained that it was illegal to turn over those in the United States. None the less, in November, 1,179 Russians who had fought against Stalin in the German Army were turned over to a Soviet ship in Seattle. See Soldiers of Misfortune, pp. 31-39.
[v] Moscow Bound, op. cit., p. 231-327.
[vi] Soldiers of Misfortune, op. cit., pp. 95-133.
[vii] Ibid, p. 96.
[viii] Dr. Castles book is focused on Site 85 in Laos and its capture. It is not on the POW/MIA problem in general, but on those missing from Site 85. It is included on this list because what happened at Site 85 fits the pattern and is well researched. It also provides an excellent characterization of the decision-making process that provides additional insight into the POW/MIA problem in general.
The harsh truth is that Kerry and McCain as US Senators broke faith and should forever be regarded as despicable rats.
I am sick and tired of the statists. Citizenship should be guaranteed by service. All others can STFU.
Bump for a good read. McCain had his POW records classified...Trump needs to get all of the POW records declassified!!!
Agreed, as long as it is not the only path.
I hope McNuts is burning in hell!
BFL, hopefully it will shed a brighter light on McCain's actions re POW's starting with those from WW1. (WW1, not a typo.)
Back in college, I had a former POW act as the guest lecturer for a History class. His name was Commander Arvin Chauncey and was he was head of Navy ROTC at the University of Minnesota.
He was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and spent 2105 days in prison. he had a class of college students in total silence for one hour as he recalled his experiences.
he said the most scared he ever was happened shortly after he was captured by NVA soldiers. The soldiers roughed him up a bit but didn’t injure him. They did take him to the closest village and were gonna load him up on a truck.
A number of villagers came out of their huts brandishing knives, pitchforks, etc and tried to attack Chauncey. he said that his NVA guards became his protectors by firing in the air and using their rifle butts to strike villagers as they got too close.
Later, he was asked “Do you think there are still POW’s in Vietnam. he paused a moment and said they he didn’t think so. He believed that others were not quite as lucky as he was and were killed on the ground by villagers just like the ones who tried to kill him. The bodies of the US fliers were then buried somewhere or dumped in a ditch.
This was only his opinion and that was a number of years ago. Who knows if time or new info has changed his mind. But at the time, he seemed quite convinced that we did not have anyone still being held by Vietnam.
I spent a few weeks in Phuket, Thailand back in 1979. I met a Swedish family on R&R there from an assignment in Vietnam. With a couple of other travel companions, we chartered a boat for a fishing and snorkeling outing. After that, we dined and socialized occasionally until the Swedes returned to Vietnam.
The Swedish man was an engineer who worked at a pulp and paper plant project in Vietnam. He must have been pretty senior ranking since he had family status on that assignment.
Even back then there were stories about American POWs left behind, and I asked him whether he had seen anything that would suggest that was true. I’ve been to Vietnam; I know Vietnam is a big country and there are millions of people there, so I didn’t expect a positive response and wouldn’t conclude anything if he had said he never saw anything of the sort. So it was really surprising when he responded that, yes, he had seen several disheveled white men under guard of local police or military (It’s been a long time, so I forget whether it was police or military.) Remember, this was 1979: there weren’t any European or American tourists in Vietnam, and it was nigh impossible to get a visa. He also said that other Swedes at his project had witnessed even more unusual sightings, but would not go into detail. It seemed to me at the time that he probably felt that he had already said too much about that topic. This was just casual, social conversation, so the conversation turned to less controversial topics.
Over the years, I have recalled that conversation several times and wondered about whether the guys he saw really were American POWs. Of course, until the Internet, it would be well nigh impossible to do any research into POW sightings by Swedish engineers at a pulp and paper project.
However, a couple of years ago I was doing some unrelated research into the economy of Vietnam, and saw a reference to the early Swedish foreign aid to develop the pulp and paper industry in Vietnam. It then occurred to me that, perhaps, a Google search would yield information about eyewitness accounts of American POWs in 1979 Vietnam. Lo and behold, it didn’t take too many tries before I came upon documentation that such sightings were reported to the Swedish embassy and forwarded to the US.
I, for one, have absolutely no doubt that there were American POWs left behind. Even though we just met on vacation, I recall the Swedish engineer as a solid guy, not the type to make up a bs story. I certainly would trust him ahead of either John Kerry or John McCain.
I’m going to read this article. I found posts 9 and 10 interesting.
Even more than flooding the country with fraudulently documented foreigners, this is McCain’s true legacy.
So McCain is a citizen and Trump is not.
Kerry is a citizen and Sarah Palin is not.
John Murtha is a citizen, Mike Pence is not.
Benedict Arnold is a citizen and Thomas Jefferson is not.
Not sure you have thought your cunning plan all the way through.
Thanks for the ping. There is a lot of information here.
I have not read whole story yet but agree with you. It was McCain and Kerry who (as war “heroes”) convinced the Congress to stop looking for POWs and MIAs. One of those Let it Go moments. Let’s move on. Let by-gones be by-gones
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