Posted on 10/07/2018 7:29:48 PM PDT by vannrox
“No taxation without representation!”
That was a popular phrase during the decades leading up to the Revolutionary War. Colonists thought it was unfair to be taxed and subjected to English rule without consent.
Today Washington DC hands down laws and taxes to every one of the 320 million people living in the United States.
And just like under English rule, we are not represented in the federal government.
Now I know what you’re thinking… we have the right to vote for our leaders.
Our votes send Representatives, Senators, and the President to Washington DC. And they represent our interests in government.
US Representatives are elected by the people, split up into districts.
They go to Washington DC and make up the House of Representatives; one half of Congress.
Congress is the entire legislative branch. They write and pass all the laws in the USA.
When America was brand new, each Representative came from a district of about 40,000 people.
But as the US population grew, the number of Reps in Congress was limited to just 435. That meant the number of citizens each member represented grew as well…
Today, Representatives are elected by districts averaging about 713,000 people.
That means our votes for US Representative are about 6% as potent as they were when America was founded.
(I’m going by total population and not by voting population to keep it simple. But the same lesson applies if you do the math based on voting population.)
Our representation in the House of Representatives has been diluted by a factor of 17.
The US Senate makes up the other half of Congress.
Senators are elected by the entire population of each state, with a simple majority-wins vote.
But it wasn’t supposed to be like that.
Until 1913, Senators were elected by each state legislature.
Every state has its own Congress, mirroring the US system. You vote for state Representatives and state Senators and they run the state government.
It was the folks running your state government that once elected US Senators to send to Washington DC. This gave state governments representation in Washington DC.
So the citizens controlled the US House of Representatives by directly voting for who would represent them from their district.
And state governments controlled the US Senate by the state legislatures voting for who would represent the state in the federal government.
Of course, the people still elected the state Senators and state Reps who then elected US Senators.
But in 1913, the 17th Amendment allowed popular vote in each state to elect US Senators. So it became a state-wide race, just like Governor.
Sounds like this gives the people more voice in the federal government… but it actually gave us way WAY less of a say.
Let’s use Louisiana as an example…
By population size, Lousiana is the median state. Half of the states have a larger population, and half the states have a smaller population. Lousiana is smack dab in the middle.
Louisiana has a total of 105 state Representatives. Each state Rep is elected by a district of about 45,000 people.
39 state Senators are elected by districts of about 120,000 people each.
The entire population of Louisiana is about 4.7 million.
So in a statewide race for US Senator, your vote is just one out of 4,700,000.
Your vote is 105 times more powerful in a state Representative race (1/45,000 vs. 1/4,700,000).
It counts 105x more than your vote for US Senator.
Your vote is 39 times as potent in a state Senate race (1/120,000 vs. 1/4,700,000).
It matters 39x more than your vote for US Senator.
But imagine if the state Reps still chose the US Senator…
He or she has 1 vote out of 105 total Reps.
And your state Senator’s vote accounts for 1 out of 39 total Senators.
Remember, your vote for state Rep and state Senate actually matter… in these small districts you have 105x and 39x more power than in a state-wide race.
So compared to the US Senate race, your vote has a MUCH higher probability of influencing 2 seats out of the 144 member legislature (39 Senators + 105 Reps).
If both your choices get elected, you have chosen 1.4% of the state legislators who will choose your US Senator.
But your vote for US Senate in the state-wide race gives you just .00002% say in who gets elected US Senator.
If both your choices for state Rep and state Senate get elected, you have 70,000 times more control over who gets elected US Senator.
But what if neither of your choices for state Rep and Senate gets elected?
It means you have 0% say in who gets elected US Senator…
Which is statistically equal to your .00002% say you have right now.
So the worst possible scenario in the old system is statistically the same as the only scenario in the current system.
You have a 100% chance of having no voice in the current system.
But when state legislators elected US Senators, you had a much better shot at having some voice in the decision. And when you got that voice, it counted for so much more.
1913 was a bad year…
You could say it was the beginning of a new United States of America… which hardly resembled the old structure.
It was the beginning of taxation without representation… The complete reversal of everything Americans fought for and achieved during the American Revolution.
It began the era of the American Empire. A centralized government, large enough to do whatever it wanted without restraint.
Too large for the people to control through representative democracy.
We still have a chance to be represented in state governments. But secession is a topic for another day…
You could say it was the beginning of a new United States of America… which hardly resembled the old structure.
It was the beginning of taxation without representation… The complete reversal of everything Americans fought for and achieved during the American Revolution.
It began the era of the American Empire. A centralized government, large enough to do whatever it wanted without restraint.
Too large for the people to control through representative democracy.
We still have a chance to be represented in state governments. But secession is a topic for another day…
This is one of those threads for the intellectual, patient reader type.
I’ll save it for later :)
Seems rather important.
But I have too much ADD to read it except when i’m very tired but still focused enough to understand what i’m reading :)
The solution?
A Convention of States.
Repeal the 17th amendment.
Two term limit (just like president) for all federal positions.
Repeal the 16th amendment and institute a national sales tax.
...and other stuff...
But too many people are terrified by the Article 5 provision of the Constitution.
It’s a Big Club...and you ain’t in it.
It is so good to see this being disseminated!!!
The way to restore the balance of power is to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution and repeal the House Rule limiting the House of Representatives to 435. Please see my Federalist Letters to Corporate America for the detailed explanation of why and how to achieve this.
https://backyardfence.wordpress.com/federalist-letters-to-corporate-ameria/
Another Woodrow Wilson master plan?
What would be the current Senate breakdown (D/R) if the 17th Amendment did not exist?
Retarded. Giving me instead of a piece of crap politician my own vote for Senator means my vote doesn’t count?
Just imagine President Trump out of the stump “We need to give career politicians the ability to choose Senators behind closed doors. Drain the swamp?”
Yeah, NO.
most of what the federal govt does is NOT in the constitution. it has become an out of control monster — an octopus of corruption.
if the fed govt was put back in its box where it belongs there is no way it would cost trillions of dollars to run it. this is insane.
way past time for the peasants to rise up with torches and pitchforks.
Try this:
31 Republican-controlled legislatures
14 Democratic-controlled legislatures
4 Split legislatures
49 Total
bkmk
The weirdest example was Joe Miller running on "its horrible that the Alaska government gave the Governor's daughter a U.S. Senate seat, but things would be soooooo much better if they'd just repeal the 17th so she could have that seat for life without pesky elections in the way!"
That, and Rick Perry running a schizo platform of "its horrible that we amended the constitution so voters can choose the legislative branch instead of having politicians appoint them, but things would be AWESOME if we the amended the constitution so voters can choose the JUDICIAL branch instead of having politicians appoint them!
The weirdest example was Joe Miller running on "its horrible that the Alaska government gave the Governor's daughter a U.S. Senate seat, but things would be soooooo much better if they'd just repeal the 17th so she could have that seat for life without pesky elections in the way!"
That, and Rick Perry running a schizo platform of "its horrible that we amended the constitution so voters can choose the legislative branch instead of having politicians appoint them, but things would be AWESOME if we amended the constitution so voters can choose the JUDICIAL branch instead of having politicians appoint them!
“... We need to give career politicians the ability to choose Senators behind closed doors ....”
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In the current system, the candidates on your ballot are selected that way.
So a heap of money from a government employee union or a billionaire to a few members of a state assembly would surely buy all of the senatorial elections! What a magnificent evil plot! Big municipals would rule, and we’d have a total, permanent police state!
I now see more clearly how the proposition is so attractive to folks who are much more involved in politics than most of us.
Supposedly the last time 65% of eligible US voters voted in national elections was back in 1908, less for state and local. It hasn’t broken that since, a lot of them being below 55%. At least by any thing that I have seen.
Nobody really seems to care that millions and millions in campaign money is spent to convince the swayable to vote one way or the other, and we still haven’t broken 65% eligible voter turnout in 108 years. That is pretty amazing to me.
Freegards
Nope.
Nebraska has a unicameral (one chamber) Legislature
We, as Conservatives, like to say that the United States is a Republic. It is NOT. It changed from a Republic to a Democracy with the passage of both the 12th and the 17th Amendments.
The 16th Amendment converted free men into debt serfs.
Then the 19th Amendment diluted the voting power by a full 50%. Since me majority of females vote liberally, this greatly influenced the political balance of the Untied States.
The 23rd Amendment permits Washington D.C. swamp voting ability.
I would suggest that we start enforcing the 10th Amendment immediately. And then start abolishing all those progressive well-intentioned amendments that started to destry freedom and liberty.
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