Posted on 10/12/2018 1:34:13 PM PDT by SleeperCatcher
As Chinas naval aviation capabilities advance, objectives are changing as well. No longer just a defense force, the upgraded H-6Js indicate that Beijing wants its naval bomber force to project power as well. These new designs, with their added payload capability, are designed to do just that.
These jets are not stealthy, however, which makes them more easily targetable than U.S. bombers. That said, they may not have to be if they fly within established air defense zones when launching their payloads at allied ships.
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These jets are not stealthy, however, which makes them more easily targetable than U.S. bombers. That said, they may not have to be if they fly within established air defense zones when launching their payloads at allied ships.
Launch at allied ships and NOTHING will save you.
A 50’s era big fat target in any contested air space.
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Like a B-52.
. ...no history book I’ve ever seen credits China with EVER fighting an all out aerial combat battle much less successfully... .
By comparison, the US has learned from hundreds of battles in countless wars.
I can hear some freeper now saying “Korea”. But, those were migs designed, built and flown mostly by Russian pilots.
In my very humble opinion, in all out war with the US China would be flying these planes to Russia to try and save them like Hussein did.
“Launch at allied ships and NOTHING will save you.”
If China makes the mistake of firing at our ships The US Navy will begin clearing the skies and oceans of all Chinese military assets and the artificial islands in the South China Sea will sink under the waves from whence they came. I can also guarantee that ‘free trade’ with China will be over immediately - full stop. All the multinational corporations that outsourced their manufacturing and business units to China or who source components from China will have to pound sand.
“In my very humble opinion, in all out war with the US China would be flying these planes to Russia to try and save them like Hussein did.”
I can just imagine the chess Shire grin’s and the Russians as they take possession of those Chinese planes. The ChiComs will never get them back without paying a lot of money and the will be stripped to the bone when they do.
Gentlemen. While having full faith and confidence in the abilities of The United States Navy, I must remind you of Proverbs 16:18. I see no reason for China to move their aircraft assets to Russia. Depending on the range of their ASMs they would be able to launch from protected airspace, and should have planned an attack that would saturate (not easily) CVBG defenses. While anyone attempting to sink an American CVN had better pack a lunch, a couple of heavyweight ASMs impacting the flight deck, will have a negative effect on the ops tempo. As a member of the “Federation of Underwater Commie Killers”, I’ve spent entirely to much time at PD watching one of our very own bird farms sail by FD&H, to be entirely sanguine about the sub-surface threat.
Let me leave you with a quote from Uncle Billy:
I am sick and tired of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.
Good. Something for the F-35 to eat.
I agree with your assessment that war is hell and the ChiComs are not to be dismissed lightly, I still stand by my statement that once hostilities break out, all trade with America will cease immediately.
The cessation of trade with China will give America a hangover and make the ChiComs sick as a dog.
They already know the H-6s are expendable - however, that’s no different than us starting off a maritime anti-shipping strike with B-52s - which are also not stealthy, slower and biiiig targets.
Thing is, you might kill the bomber after it salvoes its missiles out, but that doesn’t stop the salvo from striking home as the missiles are self-guiding after launch. Applies to them, applies to us. The B-2 currently has no compatible anti-shipping missile and the next gen anti-ship missile won’t fit in it, reportedly. So we’d be using B-1Bs and B-52s in the exact same way.
Not if the F-35 is down with another problem. The F-35 fleet has been grounded yet again.
China has quietly been gaining combat experience in various African brush wars and is now moving to increase that. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/china-increases-defence-ties-with-africa.html
We are in complete agreement there sir.
This is not meant to challenge US naval forces so much as to establish a greater threat to trade routes.
Ideal for threatening world trade a thousand miles or more from the Chinese coasts. This means that even a re-route out of the blocked South China Sea (in case of war or threat of war) through Indonesian and Eastern Philippine waters will be very risky. And so of course are Indonesian and Philippine domestic trade, which is a very big deal as they are archipelagos.
It also increases the threat to the Straits of Malacca, the most important shipping chokepoint in the world.
The sea routes of the Far East are all in range, and so are any easy reroutes.
Though these are probably easy enough to intercept and shoot down, their area of coverage is so large that they can route areas areas with effective air defenses, or US carrier groups.
Good. Something for the F-35 to eat.
With its two missiles and 160 rounds ... but it will have to get by the J20s and J-15s escorting the bomb group.
It’s not like other aircraft have not been grounded. The F4U-4 Corsair was nicknamed “The Ensign Eliminator” during its field testing. There are always problems with fielding a new generation of aircraft.
The template the US is using doesn’t employ F-35s by themselves. They are intended to be unseen while the Chinese drivers concentrate on the actual air superiority fighters.
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