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At the time Rome fell, could it truly be called a Republic?

No. But the article isn't talking about when Rome fell, it's talking about when the republic fell. In other words, when the republican form of government was replaced by an all powerful Emperor. That happened in the 1st century BC, 500 or 600 years before the western Roman empire collapsed.

10 posted on 10/24/2018 9:16:07 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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LOL! Guess I better go to the link. Thanks...


14 posted on 10/24/2018 9:22:09 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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At the time Rome fell, could it truly be called a Republic?
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No. But the article isn’t talking about when Rome fell, it’s talking about when the republic fell. In other words, when the republican form of government was replaced by an all powerful Emperor. That happened in the 1st century BC, 500 or 600 years before the western Roman empire collapsed.
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Interestingly, we continue to debate when the U.S. fell from a Republic, let alone a Constitutional. Some say the early 1900’s (16/17th, Fed Res), some go back to Teddy (’Antiquities Act’) and others the War Between the States [not an official Civil War as the Confed. didn’t want to supersede\rule over D.C.] [Reconstruction & duress of 13th/etc.)

Regardless of WHEN, it’s obvious we’re unmoored from our Founding. IMO, 95%+ illegal.


18 posted on 10/24/2018 9:32:27 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

>>>No. But the article isn’t talking about when Rome fell, it’s talking about when the republic fell. In other words, when the republican form of government was replaced by an all powerful Emperor. That happened in the 1st century BC, 500 or 600 years before the western Roman empire collapsed.<<<

I’ve thought about this a lot, too. The republic collapsed and was replaced by the permanent dictatorship under Augustus, who was by accounts conservative in Roman terms. Eventually the empire, a few duds as dictators, then the Pax Romana. We could see the same thing, perhaps. An interregnum of chaos, the installation of a dictatorial centralized government while still maintaining the illusion of local power, and a military presence that would crush opposition and lend itself to a few centuries of world peace. I’ve sometimes thought that something as awful as limited nuclear war would lead some Americans to say, “OK, you want to see bad ass? Here it is,” and then go full Roman on its enemies. I’m rambling. But Rome lasted for another 1,400 years following the death of the republic, too.


22 posted on 10/24/2018 9:53:30 AM PDT by redpoll
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