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General Motors proposed nationwide mandate for electric vehicles
Washington Examiner ^ | October 26, 2018 | Joe Williams

Posted on 10/27/2018 8:38:11 AM PDT by kevcol

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To: faucetman

Hydrogen is manufactured...how?
Electric grid or fossil fuels required?
Any pollutants from the process?
What is hydrogen’s energy balance?


21 posted on 10/27/2018 8:56:09 AM PDT by polymuser (ItÂ’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: Dogbert41

Contact your local GM dealer and share your concerns.


22 posted on 10/27/2018 8:57:10 AM PDT by ptsal
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To: kevcol

The days of GM meaning anything are far far gone.

Were it not for the corrupt Dorkbama the Muslim eunuch quota boy administration, those loons should have been bankrupt over a decade ago.

But, of course, we would have saved the Corvettes.


23 posted on 10/27/2018 8:57:16 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: alloysteel

The real solution is UN Agenda 21.


24 posted on 10/27/2018 8:58:00 AM PDT by polymuser (ItÂ’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: kevcol

So they “need to have a discussion” about electric vehicles. No, that’s called advertising and sales. It has worked that way for over 100 years, GM. You were very good at it. Time to get back to it.


25 posted on 10/27/2018 8:58:08 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Da Coyote

A Tesla HP powertrain in a classic Vette would be interesting.
Wonder if anyone’s done it...


26 posted on 10/27/2018 8:59:45 AM PDT by polymuser (ItÂ’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
How much natural gas is available, or how fast can Nuclear Power Plants be built...safely or how many more solar farms are going to be built at the cost of migrating birds and butterflies....electricity does not grow on trees and the cost of "electricfuel" will be costly and deadly.
27 posted on 10/27/2018 9:01:41 AM PDT by yoe (A vote for the Left is a vote against YOUR Constitution, open borders, higher taxes, more government)
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To: oldasrocks

And just how many power generation facilities will produce enough electric?


28 posted on 10/27/2018 9:01:57 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: kevcol

No mandate

Let the market place decide. If the electrics can compete they will do well.


29 posted on 10/27/2018 9:02:27 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: kevcol

I wonder what would be said if an internet company wanted to decree a nationwide mandate that all internet companies had to provide xyz speed.

or a grocery store chain that wanted all grocers to maintain certain products or hours

Electricity is not a renewable resource; it is an end product of renewable resources. Home electric bills are impacted by availability, demand and carrying costs of that end product. Homeowners shouldn’t have to subsidize electric car fantasies. Sit down GM.


30 posted on 10/27/2018 9:09:20 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: kevcol

Government Motors?

#DieCorporateScum


31 posted on 10/27/2018 9:16:18 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: kevcol

Another corporation infected with the Leftist virus.


32 posted on 10/27/2018 9:20:02 AM PDT by robel
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To: DakotaGator
"So Government Motors is abandoning all pretense of being a commercial company responding to market forces? What a surprise! "

GM looks jealously at the government subsidies that Tesla has received. That is what it is all about.

Relative to the efficiency of electric cars they are no more efficient than a diesel engine. Yes I said that. A diesel engine is about 35% efficient. A lithium ion battery and the electric motor is about 95% efficient or better.

From the burning of coal or natural gas at the generating station you will lose about 63% of the energy. The biggest energy loss is at the generating station. Most of that energy goes up the smokestack. A typical power plant converts about 37% of the energy of the coal or natural gas into electricity. The losses of energy from the battery to the electric motors is only a few percent depending on the efficiency of the electric motor.

Point being an electric car is not one damn bit more energy efficient than a modern diesel or gasoline engine. They burn just as much hydrocarbons.

Entropy always wins.

33 posted on 10/27/2018 9:30:11 AM PDT by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: kevcol

Putting tens of thousands of mechanics out of business.


34 posted on 10/27/2018 9:36:51 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: kevcol

Sorry,but I am not anti-GM & I do drive a GM product & have for some years. However, they have quit building anything I would seriously consider owning now. Even suggesting building what they want now dampens my enthusiasm even further. I see no reason why Calif. should be attempting to dictate what any manufacturer builds either. When GM decides to respond to market forces again, then it’s a different game. I am not convinced that America is all that sold on electric vehicles, and a big consideration would have to be a way to provide all that electric power. What happens to electric rates when the increased demand for electric vehicle production (not the same as consumer demand) comes about? I don’t know about others, but my electric bill is already too high & I don’t see the need for increasing it so some do-gooders can drive electric vehicles that I can’t afford anyway.


35 posted on 10/27/2018 9:39:45 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: kevcol
Some folks believe electric cars don't pollute. They are ignoramus's or plain stupid and have no clue to what the first law of thermodynamics is or means. Which is “ENERGY can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change form.” This means electric cars haven't solved a dam thing when it comes to pollution , (they've just moved the pollution to 3rd world countries and to another sector of society) because somewhere theres something being burned to make the electricity to power your go cart. And the child labor usedto mine the raw materials to make the batteries.. And the tons and tons of dangerous TOXIC waste left over from the battery manufacturing plants. Next time you see someone brag about their electric car, ask them how many kids were made sick or died to make thier car compared to your V-8 ford f-250..

make sure to ask them where they are going to plug their car in when all the gas and coal fired power plants they hate so much are shut down.

Natural gas—31.8% Petroleum (crude oil and natural gas plant liquids)—28.0% Coal—17.8% nuclear = 9%... /P>

36 posted on 10/27/2018 9:43:50 AM PDT by Ikeon (A black kid in a white school is very safe; a white kid in a black school is a crime victim waiting)
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To: kevcol

The only way you are going to get a larger amount of electric specific sales is to lower the cost, provide incentives (money from the Government) rebates etc. The few people that want these cars are buying them the rest of us do not want then and are not going to buy them no matter what you say!


37 posted on 10/27/2018 9:48:19 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: blueunicorn6

Only a fool has a Dolt.


38 posted on 10/27/2018 10:05:54 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: polymuser

“A Tesla HP powertrain”

What’s unique about it other than a tweak or two? Does Tesla have a battery that eliminates the need for gas powered vehicles?


39 posted on 10/27/2018 10:44:55 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: kevcol

I WILL NEVER EVER BUY GM VEHICLES AGAIN. This is a vow I have kept for 12 years now.


40 posted on 10/27/2018 10:46:00 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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