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The Tragedy of Saudi Arabia's War
The New York Times ^ | 10/26/18 | Declan Walsh, Tyler Hicks

Posted on 11/02/2018 8:26:36 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX

One hope for Yemenis is that the international fallout from the death of the Saudi dissident, Jamal Khashoggi, which has damaged Prince Mohammed’s international standing, might force him to relent in his unyielding prosecution of the war.

Peter Salisbury, a Yemen specialist at Chatham House, said that was unlikely.

“I think the Saudis have learned what they can get away with in Yemen — that western tolerance for pretty bad behavior is quite high,” he said. “If the Khashoggi murder tells us anything, it’s just how reluctant people are to rein the Saudis in.”

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1 posted on 11/02/2018 8:26:36 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

I get that war is hell. No one has to convince us of that.

The war has been presented as a contest between the “moderate” Saudis and Iran, with the Houthis as supposedly Iran’s proxies. To make a fair judgement of the rightness or wrongness of the war, we need to know how fair that of an analysis that is, and what are the likely results of Houthi rule in Yemen. Versus, of course, the likely rule of the Saudis’ proxies in Yemen.


2 posted on 11/02/2018 8:38:35 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Iranian missiles on the Arabian peninsula targeting tanker traffic in the Arabian Sea might be one outcome of Houthi rule.


3 posted on 11/02/2018 8:55:51 AM PDT by RitchieAprile (magic card, angry bird, secret number)
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To: RitchieAprile

Islam is war
Islam is rape
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4 posted on 11/02/2018 9:45:28 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Yemen is becoming an albatross for the Saudis. Gamal Abdel Nasser and Egypt found this out the hard way in the 1960s. Egypt had over 70,000 soldiers deployed in Yemen and stuck in a stalemate from 1962-1967.

They missed those soldiers (and the 26,000 casualties from 1962-67) badly during the 1967 Six Day War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Yemen_Civil_War


5 posted on 11/02/2018 10:33:44 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: marron

The likely result of Houthi rule in Yemen is 1)continued and protracted civil war in Yemen, 2)continued efforts by KSA to eradicate their archenemy Iran’s Houthi proxies and too bad about the collateral damage, and 3)choking off oil supplies from the Arabian peninsula at the Arabian Gulf/Straits of Hormuz (Iran) and at the Red Sea at Hudaida (Yemen).

This is not about moderate political views. It is about KSA being able to deliver oil on the world market and KSA’s oil is Iran’s immediate target. Once Iran controls the oil they can overthrow the government of KSA. Once they do that, they can control Mecca and once they control Mecca they control the world’s Muslims. Israel and Europe are secondary targets after the oil.

The Houthis are a tiny, Shiite minority(~2%), in a majority Sunni population. They were easily co-opted by Iran, first with persecuted minority status, then with funding, food, supplies and weapons. Yemen is an astonishingly poor country whose resources are not enough to support its own people. Outside funding can sway a lot of minds and influence behavior. Yemen is also a country where allegiance to the tribe is more immediately important to the average Yemeni than whatever the government in Sana’a is doing. The Yemenis blame Iran for this mess, and rightly so, but even before the bombing started, there was no love lost between Yemen and KSA either.

I was in Yemen in 2009 and the Yemenis were complaining then about Iran funding the Houthis and how it was going to cause trouble. How right they were.


6 posted on 11/02/2018 11:02:00 AM PDT by Cheesehead in Texas
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To: Cheesehead in Texas

Thank you. Excellent reply.


7 posted on 11/02/2018 11:10:12 AM PDT by marron
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

Thanks for the link. That is such a tangled mess over there.


8 posted on 11/02/2018 3:27:57 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (..Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you.. Joshua 1:9)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The dismantling ofYemen began as part of Obama's Arab Spring, and was brought about by Iranian intervention via recruited proxies. What is Rouhani's FR nick?

9 posted on 11/12/2018 10:05:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Cheesehead in Texas

In ancient times Yemen was the richest part of Arabia. The Romans called it “Arabia Felix,” meaning Happy Arabia. Oh, how things have changed!


10 posted on 11/13/2018 7:15:01 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

Good historical background.


11 posted on 11/14/2018 11:29:25 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect
Here's an interesting article on the North Yemen War.

The Proxy of my Proxy

A Yemeni saying that is apropos anywhere and anytime in the Middle East:

“You can’t buy us; you can only rent us for a while”

12 posted on 11/14/2018 11:54:36 PM PST by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalism’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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