Posted on 11/05/2018 3:48:29 PM PST by Openurmind
Absolutely. I have been preaching this for quite awhile now. It is a huge mistake to pin it on just one influence. Like you say, there are a combination of influences that all come together at one time. And we are way overdue for a long cold spell.
Thing is... They keep claiming that the oceans warming up is being caused by global warming. While I agree they are warming I can’t help wondering where the heat is coming from. I now think in the whole they are extracting this heat from the atmosphere as the source.
But anytime you extract heat from something it cools. Both cannot heat up together. There is always an opposite and equal reaction with thermal exchange systems.
I predict that tomorrow the sun will explode.
Make my two sides Margaritas! No lime, light salt.
According to the media's democrat scientists, I believe it's conservatives.
I have a question. Where exactly do they take the measurements of the temperature of the ocean ?
I used to swim in a large lake. During the summer, it was nice and warm in the first 2-3 feet of water, but if you dived down further it was much cooler.
So.... If the temperature at the surface was 90 degrees and at the bottom it was 60 degrees, what would the temperature of the 'lake' be ?
I just call it the number 14 because I’m not sure how to pronounce it.
It is a very very good question... And even though there are several different methods being used, I wonder if they are all corresponding with each other? Or if the results are being cherry picked? Something I will have to dig into more for sure.
But I’m thinking even if there is a rise in temp using just the Sea Surface Temperatures they could be fairly accurate in my theory because that is where the thermal exchange with the atmosphere might indeed happen as the evaporation layer in the system cycle?
1. Thermometers under buoys or ships Since about 1990 an extensive array of moored buoys across the equatorial Pacific Ocean has beamed temperature data from a 1 meter depth up to a satellite. Lots of ships are also recording their intake water temperatures but the depths and locations vary making this data harder to use.
2. Satellite remote sensing NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) SST satellites have been providing global SST (Sea Surface Temperature) data since 2000. Unlike buoys, the satellites can sense the surface temperature everywhere. The temp measured is of the surface only, though. The surface “skin” temp can be quite different than the temp of the water below because of things like evaporation, wind, sunshine, and humidity. Also, cloud cover prevents satellites from sensing surface temperatures.
3. Acoustic Tomography Sound, especially low frequencies, can travel long distances under water. Since the speed of sound under water varies with temperature, measuring how long sound takes to travel a certain distance will give you the average temperature of the water over that distance. Acoustic Thermometry of Ocean Climate (ATOC) is using trans-basin acoustic transmissions to observe the world’s oceans, and the ocean climate in particular.
4. Ocean Surface Topography By bouncing microwaves off the the ocean surface and using GPS location, satellites can precisely measure the height of any spot on the ocean surface. Reasoning that water expands and contracts as it heats and cools, then so too would the height of the sea surface. I think Ocean Surface Topography is the easiest and best technique for measuring ocean temperature.
““During past ice ages the tropical Pacific Ocean behaved rather as it does today in an El Niño event”
Video at 11:00.
Back to your point about it being more than one factor... We tend to think of the thermal exchange system as an “open system” when in reality it is a semi-closed system just like an A/C heat extraction system.
Actually it is three closed systems in a series interacting with each other from the equator to the pole in both the southern and northern hemispheres. There has been a change in the shape and interaction latitudes of the Atmospheric cells themselves also.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/climate/2017/CSSR_Ch5_Circulation_and_Variability.pdf
Thanks for the informative response.
I totally disagree with you on #4. There are just too many other factors that would undermine getting an accurate reading.
I can understand that, they even mention these variables in that explanation. But if you add all these readings up to an overall average total it could get close enough to show a higher temp overall. And that’s the big question, Are all these methods also reflecting the same results I wonder?
I am going to dig into that question more soon because one method might actually contradict another method but it is not being widely shared or presented in the whole. Which of course be typical in agenda so far.
Thank you very much for your time and dialog. If you are interested I will share what I find on this. :)
True. That is why (climate scientists) attempts to blame one 'side' of the system for the operation of the system is pointless. Without both heat and cold, no exchange would occur.
like an A/C heat extraction system.
Which IS a big part of 'man made warming'. We 'cool' the inside of our cars, houses, skyscrapers, server farms, etc. , so where does all the 'heat' go ?
The other big part (even bigger, actually) is that all of our mechanical contrivances produce 'heat'. Especially internal combustion engines.
This does have an effect on local temperature.
However, one cloud in the same local area can cause the temperature to drop several degrees in seconds.
Which is more powerful and influential ?
Thank you. I would be very interested in your findings.
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