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Opinion: What Are The Chances That America’s Disunion Turns Into Civil War?
Market Watch ^ | 11-8-2018 | Ian Morris

Posted on 11/08/2018 8:39:26 PM PST by blam

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To: wardaddy

Thank you for the kind words and imagery, Wardaddy.


241 posted on 11/11/2018 2:55:21 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Salamander

We probably won’t get a family pic for another week or so. I’ll send it to you when we do.

Thank you!


242 posted on 11/11/2018 2:57:15 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: BroJoeK

The People want closed borders and nationalized hospitals, physician, nursing, and pharmacy services.

Right now, neither party will give them what they want, so the country is oscillating around 50:50.

By providing better border security, with a promise of more to come, Trump has gotten the “border first” faction to calm down a bit, and as the predation of Big Pharma + Health “Insurance” grows, the people for whom that is #1 are raised to a fever pitch.

A party that will close the borders and create a national health system will rule for 100 years.

Right now, that party does not exist. Stay tuned.


243 posted on 11/11/2018 3:06:31 AM PST by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: Jim Noble
"A party that will close the borders and create a national health system will rule for 100 years.
Right now, that party does not exist. Stay tuned."

There's nothing conservative about nationalized health care, so you won't find support for it on Free Republic.
But President Trump has promised better, cheaper care with preexisting conditions covered, and that may do the trick, let's hope.

Regardless, so long as there is a USA you'll see conservatives defending Founders' original intent and liberals or "progressives" pushing for ways to subvert that.

244 posted on 11/11/2018 4:44:34 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

Ah, I can dream about the big lib cities going out on their own, right?

As for minorities, if all peoples managed to develop political maturity, then Africa, S. America, and the Middle East would not be such disasters.


245 posted on 11/11/2018 12:16:20 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (..Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you.. Joshua 1:9)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Amen, sir.

;-)

246 posted on 11/11/2018 2:40:10 PM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: HamiltonJay

I partially agree, but we may differ in our definition of “soon”.

How long did it take for Venezuela to go from supporting most of its citizens adequately, to the present situation?

Also, how many recent large scale uprisings around the world have had legislative bodies’ support at the time things broke open? I can’t think of many.

IMO, civil war in the US is borderline possible in my lifetime. With luck, I’ll be around another 20-25 years. To me, that is “soon”. (The nukes scenario I mention might, might, come sooner.) Give these things 50 years, and the odds go way up.


247 posted on 11/12/2018 8:36:19 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: blam
In my life....business..job...family.

I've asked myself...Is this the hill I want to die on?

Is the country crumbling..yep.

Is my neck of the woods protected..yep. At least my place is,,,,,,,,,,,,

248 posted on 11/12/2018 8:50:29 PM PST by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: Jim Noble

Kyrsten Sinema?

Yikes!


249 posted on 11/12/2018 8:55:09 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: BroJoeK

I can agree with a lot of that BUT you fail to account for the large number of Republican pols who support bringing in new immigrants faster than they can possibly be “matured” into Conservatives. If they (said Republicans) actually support Conservatism at all. Then consider that major portions of some populations seem to be particularly resistant to such maturation, partially because they appear to be remarkably gullible when it comes to being kept right where the dems want them.

Then there is the education system, which the libs control lock, stock, and barrel, debt out the wazoo (I am not referring only to Federal debt), and the bureaucracy / Deep State / rigged system / whatever you want to call it — Trump has only been able to dent it slightly, and with the House gone, further progress will likely stall. Conservatives have a VERY difficult task in obtaining that maturation of enough voters...


250 posted on 11/12/2018 9:35:48 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.

Totally agree, though doubt if any Republicans today support illegal immigration.

My opinion on **legal** immigration is that it should be tied by formula to the unemployment rate — lower unemployment increases legal immigration, etc.

On education I’d favor vouchers — money follows students, so long as their parents **don’t** chose schools which teach hatred, violence, suicide bombings, etc.

How long does what I’d call “political maturity” take?
Three, four generations if we’re lucky?
Usually takes a great leader like Reagan or Trump to bring large numbers over.
Dems know it and that’s why they insanely insist Trump is “racist” — to keep their own voters from flipping.


251 posted on 11/13/2018 2:54:30 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK
Thank you for your very cogent reply. I agree that the county-by-county map is the best way to view the country simply because it does highlight the Balkanization of our country. As a public service, it would be even better if the map identified the particular cities infested with the Red Death. Granted, there have always been city v. country differences and differences within given states. The problem is that we have changed from a "melting pot" to a mixed salad with every sub-group demanding that the group accommodate its particular differences, whether those differences be racial, ethnic, sexual orientation, or food prohibition. "I'm special. Revolve your world around me."

I've been reading Jordan Peterson's book "12 Rules for Life" and have just gotten to the point where he warns about letting unsocialized children set the rules, which in my mind is a microcosm of the country's basic "whining and demanding" problem, but exacerbated by unrighteous lawyers. When a group of foreigners in a third country file a lawsuit against the president of the United States claiming that he is violating their rights under the U.S. Constitution, we have a very basic conceptual problem regarding the purpose and powers of government.

252 posted on 11/13/2018 3:19:15 AM PST by Pecos (Better the one you have with you than the one you left at home.)
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To: Pecos

Agreed, especially your final sentence!


253 posted on 11/13/2018 3:44:40 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: Paul R.

Venezuela suffered complete economic collapse... and even with people starving, they didn’t have open civil war.

Open Civil War, is not anywhere on the immediate, short or even long term horizon for the US.

We may be heading toward another 60s type of situation where there are violent incidents and riots, but full on open warfare?? Not even close.

For the most part American’s are fat and happy, if anything life is getting so easy that we are more likely to decline from within to a point where eventually external forces take us out.. Much like Rome.... But outright civil war? There is nothing in our political discourse today that is remotely to the scale where open civil war is anywhere on the horizon.

I am 47, So I figure I probably got another 30-40 years left, barring major medical breakthroughs that vastly extend aging... So, while we are losing our nation due to indoctrination of the young in an educational system that practices educational malpractice, and teaches critical theory instead of critical thinking... That doesn’t lead to open warfare.

We already fought a civil war about federal power, and its place... now we are battling the administrative state, which was created by the courts, and will be beat back in the courts... Nothing else is of scope or scale to even think it will lead to civil war.

What will likely happen, however, is a hot war with China.


254 posted on 11/13/2018 6:29:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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