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Grand Canyon Carved by Flood Runoff
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 11-30-18 | Tim Clarey, PhD

Posted on 12/03/2018 7:50:00 AM PST by fishtank

Grand Canyon Carved by Flood Runoff

BY TIM CLAREY, PH.D. * | FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2018

Secular science has long struggled to explain the timing and origin of Grand Canyon. The majority of secular scientists assumes it was carved by a large river in less than six million years.1 Why did it form where it did? In particular, how did the river “hurdle” the massive Kaibab uplift?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; flood; grandcanyon
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1 posted on 12/03/2018 7:50:00 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Fictional lakes that some creation geologists propose emptied in a catastrophic manner to carve Grand Canyon but are based on little if any geological evidence.

Image credit: Hill, C. et al, eds. 2016. The Grand Canyon, Monument to an Ancient Earth: Can Noah’s Flood Explain the Grand Canyon? Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 163. Used in accordance with federal copyright (fair use doctrine) law. Usage by ICR does not imply endorsement of copyright holder.

2 posted on 12/03/2018 7:50:57 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

A creation scientist critiques the “dammed lakes” theory.


3 posted on 12/03/2018 7:52:06 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Doesn’t a lot of this have to do with the impact episode around 12,000 to 13,000 years ago, and major melt-off that occurred with that?


4 posted on 12/03/2018 7:59:27 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Fred Nerks

Shall we?


5 posted on 12/03/2018 8:02:52 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: fishtank

The “Science” in this article is pitifully weak
A lot of conjecture with data not in evidence

Almost as bad as “Flat Earth” science


6 posted on 12/03/2018 8:05:26 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: fishtank
Dinosaur farts led to rising methane gas in the atmosphere, which led to global warming climate change, which led to rising oceans...which led to the Grand Canyon being carved out.

Ain't nature wonderful.

Butt, we should ban dinosaurs.

7 posted on 12/03/2018 8:12:48 AM PST by moovova
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To: fishtank
The Colorado did not 'hurdle' the Kaibab uplift. The Kaibab Uplift rose up as part of a larger-scale uplift and the river cut down due to the increased gradient.

Look up Goosenecks Canyon as an example of a meandering river over flat terrain having the region uplifted. The meanders stayed in place as the river cut down.

8 posted on 12/03/2018 8:15:57 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: pepsionice
Yep. And it will be borne out in the future.
9 posted on 12/03/2018 8:23:28 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: fishtank

It was not created by a little water over a long period of time. It was a large amount of water in a short period of time.


10 posted on 12/03/2018 8:25:14 AM PST by backtobasics
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To: fishtank

“I have his shoe! Follow the Shoe!!!”


11 posted on 12/03/2018 8:25:40 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Democrats: Party over Country.)
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To: HangnJudge
The “Science” in this article is pitifully weak A lot of conjecture with data not in evidence

Lately, that seems to describe more and more "science" as professors and researchers compete for big financial handouts to support their lifestyles.

12 posted on 12/03/2018 8:29:52 AM PST by Don Corleone (Nothing makes the delusional more furious than truth.)
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To: backtobasics

That’s EXACTLY what he’s saying in the article.

He’s arguing it was in the post-Flood runoff stage, NOT in the post Ice-Age stage a few hundred years after the Flood.


13 posted on 12/03/2018 8:31:13 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Don Corleone

It’s a good idea to read all of Michael Oard’s work on this issue before you criticize the lack of science.


14 posted on 12/03/2018 8:31:59 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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“It’s a good idea to read all of Michael Oard’s work on this issue before you criticize the lack of science.”

not a lack ... a total void.


15 posted on 12/03/2018 8:48:44 AM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: fishtank

It took some time to figure out the great missoula flood, so maybe the time has come to solve this one, too.


16 posted on 12/03/2018 8:52:05 AM PST by Terry L Smith (.)
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To: fishtank

Climate change concepts. Nonexistent lakes that become abandoned reservoirs from an advanced society that, like Atlantis, became drunk with power and destroyed themselves through failure to adopt the “green model”.


17 posted on 12/03/2018 8:55:12 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects; starve the bastards)
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To: Don Corleone

Agree completely
probably half of reviewed literature
contains significant embedded error


18 posted on 12/03/2018 8:55:24 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: fishtank

Actually, “as a rule of thumb,” water always finds the lowest points, and follows the paths of least resistance.

There is significant evidence of a monolithic catastrophic global flood event. In an effort to deny such an event, some evolutionist/geologist have gone so far as to take the theoretical position of numerous, or even up to thousands of floods happening simultaneously or near simultaneously around the globe.

The argument of large inland lakes or seas does not at all, diverge from a global flood. In fact, it very well compliments a massive flood event. It could even be argued, the significant bodies of salt water we have today around the globe, which are landlocked, could well be remnants of exactly such a global event. In my opinion, which is arguably not worth much, this is ultimately not an argument, or “hill to die on”.

Seashells, sedimentary sea fossils, and even bone and teeth of whales and sharks have been found at every continental latitude and every elevation group, on every continent and sub-continent. Pick Phoenix, AZ. the entire city and area are recognized as having been the sea floor. Trillions of seashells line the modern canals which have been dug. Abolone shells have been found near the Estrella park range, and ranges all across the desert. What many know of as “South Mountain” in Phoenix, is actually the “Wonder Rift”, a real precious metals bearing perpendicular rift in the sea floor.

This being said, and while nothing travels in a strait line, the Grand Canyon does run in a roughly East/West trend, which follows a massive exposed fault system, dissected by hundreds of smaller faults. Only the upper sedimentary layers would have been washed out quickly. The visible igneous and metamorphic rock layers in the Grand Canyon are actually more evidence of the main fault. Again, as a general rule around the world, water follows depressions created by faulting. As water from the flood, or possible remnant inland seas were emptied, the water would have followed these faulting routes, focusing the flow of water toward and through what we see today. Ultimately, it does not seem to be any kind of real problem, and actually may well be a compliment to the flood, to suggest large bodies of water were left over, at higher elevation, which would eventually flow along a fault structure.

Wow, I am opinionated...


19 posted on 12/03/2018 8:57:48 AM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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To: Candor7
GRAND CANYON FORMATION (STEINBACHER)LINK


20 posted on 12/03/2018 9:46:32 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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