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The sell-off started with a mysterious plunge overnight
CNBC ^ | 6 Dec 2018 | Thomas Franck

Posted on 12/06/2018 10:26:51 AM PST by BeauBo

Speculation for the swell in volume and plunge in futures included the news of the arrest of the CFO of the Chinese telecom company Huawei. Traders also speculated that the selling could be attributed to a large fund or funds liquidating a position.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boycotts; canada; china; djia; dow30; huawei; huewei; incometaxes; market; mengwanzhou; sanctions; skycom; soros; stock; stockmarker; tariffs; taxcutsandjobsact; taxreform; tcja; trade
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Possibly an attack by the communist Chinese Government?

They have enough assets to manipulate markets in the short term to achieve a political effect, or put pressure on trade negotiations.

Could they have had a hand in the perfectly timed 2008 stock market crash, that put Obama into office?

They have long threatened to dump their US Treasury bonds in a similar act of market manipulation, to drive up US interest rates, and bust the Federal budget.

They have clearly been considering using such cyber or economic weapons for a long time, and the USA has long been designated as their primary opponent in the their doctrine.

1 posted on 12/06/2018 10:26:51 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

Deep State could make a lot of money:

1. Establish big short positions in highly liquid issues
2. Effect the arrest
3. Observe the arrest effects; a yuge sell-off
4. Buy back, make YUGE money


2 posted on 12/06/2018 10:35:51 AM PST by gaijin (6)
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To: BeauBo

Has CNN yet blamed Russian hackers operating out of Macedonia?

Hillary von Pantsuit likely will.


3 posted on 12/06/2018 10:35:54 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: BeauBo

What is the Nazi collaborator Soros up to now?


4 posted on 12/06/2018 10:36:07 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: BeauBo

It began before she was arrested. I noticed it after the election.


5 posted on 12/06/2018 10:36:44 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: BeauBo
They have long threatened to dump their US Treasury bonds in a similar act of market manipulation, to drive up US interest rates, and bust the Federal budget.

I have little doubt that China can ruin us economically because they own all our debt, which our government is addicted to. But a USA with an economy in rubble would leave China with their own problems. They are far too dependent on the USA as a market, way more than we are on them (because they won't open their markets to us).

Besides, such an overt act would get retaliation. Economic at first, perhaps. Ultimately escalating to military. It would probably start WW3. They might make us broke but we could still feed ourselves and still launch our nukes, at least for a while before civil unrest of the gimmedat class started when the government checks stopped showing up.

Would China take that risk?

6 posted on 12/06/2018 10:38:33 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: BeauBo
Chinese have been selling off Treasuries, right?
7 posted on 12/06/2018 10:38:56 AM PST by GOPJ (The enemy of the United States pays for drum circles at 'protests'. Watch for them.)
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To: BeauBo

The two words that would guarantee Biden in 2020: ‘Trump Recession’.


8 posted on 12/06/2018 10:42:33 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: BeauBo

More likely the attack of the margin call clerks.

“Hello, sir. I am as afraid you will have to deposit an additional $350 million in your account by the end of the day, or we will be required by Reg T to liquidate your securities.”


9 posted on 12/06/2018 10:44:37 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: BeauBo

Deep state panic.


10 posted on 12/06/2018 10:46:21 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of today be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: BeauBo

Probably something along that line. The Shanghai Stock Index has lost almost 1/3 of its value in the last year. Trump has been turning the screws, and we might see the Chinese attempt to kill the market and the market approach 20,000, but this economy is too strong.

Inventories have to be filled, and it’s going to take Q4, 1, and 2 to fill a lot of them.


11 posted on 12/06/2018 10:47:22 AM PST by struggle
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To: pepsi_junkie

They don’t own all our debt. They are holding approx 1.6T of it. We could inflate that away in half a heartbeat.
Dirty little secret is China is in worse shape than us economically.


12 posted on 12/06/2018 10:47:28 AM PST by afterhoursarmory
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To: BeauBo

Again, no mention of Iran...


13 posted on 12/06/2018 10:50:37 AM PST by mewzilla (Is Central America emptying its prisons?)
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To: pepsi_junkie
I have little doubt that China can ruin us economically because they own all our debt ...

China owns about 7% of U.S. Treasury debt. That's the largest share owned by any foreign country, but it's hardly "all our debt."

14 posted on 12/06/2018 10:50:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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To: BeauBo

Late fall market decline has been a fairly consistent phenomena since the arrival of large mutual funds. Fund Managers lock in gains toward the end of the year (and pad their bonuses.)


15 posted on 12/06/2018 10:51:29 AM PST by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after rain had started falling.)
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To: afterhoursarmory

Yep.

Trump has the better hand.

I think he should include the debt in trade negotiations!


16 posted on 12/06/2018 10:53:23 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: gaijin

I wonder what the CIA and DoJ heads invest in,, ‘black hole’ budget and all,, they need to fill gaps for special projects from time to time, I’m sure.. like making up dossiers and hiding their agendas.

They don’t just have carte blanche .. or do they?

Without oversight, gubamint is a waste of time and money.

It always gets hijacked in the end by those who claim to defend it even while they are gutting and milking it..


17 posted on 12/06/2018 10:57:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

While the stock market went down last night, at the same time the US bond market went up. Our debt is greedily purchased from people all over the world, not just China. And when I say people, I mean countries, banks and pension funds. The US ten year note is going up in price. The yield has dropped below 3%. Our country is not falling apart. Our debt is not currently a big deal.

If you are looking for cracks, consider the EU. And especially watch Italy. If the western world falls apart, it will start there. Before the central banks intervened, Italy’s debt was yielding over 7%. Now its about 3.2%. And it was only 1.7% in May. The EU only talked about not buying bonds and germany’s bonds went up to .24%. Italy’s bonds moved to 3.2%. So the yield could more than double, going back to 7%, if the EU’s central bank stopped buying their bonds. If the EU falls apart, there would be contagion. And that would cause trouble in the US. But until you see it there, its not coming here. They are the front line.


18 posted on 12/06/2018 11:03:38 AM PST by poinq
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To: BeauBo
Could they have had a hand in the perfectly timed 2008 stock market crash, that put Obama into office?

I highly doubt it. 2008 was caused by extremely over-leveraged mortgage positions by a lot of banks.

19 posted on 12/06/2018 11:11:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Alberta's Child; pepsi_junkie

“I have little doubt that China can ruin us economically because they own all our debt”

Out of our about $20 trillion in outstanding Treasury notes, the Federal Reserve is by far the biggest single holder - and they could buy several times more than China currently holds, should they decide to do so.

Here are the top ten foreign holders (Sep 2018, in billions):

China, Mainland 1151.4
Japan 1028.0
Brazil 317.0
Ireland 290.4
United Kingdom 276.3
Luxembourg 227.2
Switzerland 226.9
Cayman Islands 199.4
Hong Kong 192.3
Saudi Arabia 176.1

Also, China needs dollars to settle accounts at their ports for imports, so they must retain about half of their holdings, just to keep enough dollars in their “checking account” to keep goods flowing. They need foreign reserves to support (control/manipulate) their currency as well. Their position is much more tenuous than ours.

They have the means and skills to make serious trouble in our markets in the short term, but not yet enough to make permanent damage.


20 posted on 12/06/2018 11:15:12 AM PST by BeauBo
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