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US makes preparations to sail warship into Black Sea amid Russia-Ukraine tensions
CNN ^ | 5:17 PM ET, Wed December 5, 2018 | Ryan Browne

Posted on 12/06/2018 4:20:18 PM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: bert

You can’t speak for the black Americans in all 57 states and you know that.

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21 posted on 12/06/2018 4:51:45 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: TADSLOS

The Russians are the ones bent on the reconquest of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet slave states.

Also, history has taught that if you don’t stop dictators when they start trouble then you have to stop them later.

Putin needs to be stopped.


22 posted on 12/06/2018 4:53:37 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Zhang Fei; Fred Nerks

International Law governs the issue, and when a nation has both sides of a straight, they can claim to control the passage and exclude non permitted traffic. Russia is now on both sides of these straights and seeks to have the international community recognize the international law claim that Russia is obviously making.

If other nations, like the USA do not recognize the claim and seek to pass as usual, the Russians will be forced to exercise force majeur, which they have already done with the Ukraine. The Russians are obviously ready to make the decision to use force against all comers, including the USA, or they would not have made the legal claim to control the straights, since Russia is now on both sides of the straights.

If Russia backs down on its claim to control access to the Black Sea,, then watch the Russian Artic brigade, they may claim oil rich Arctic territory by sending troops into the Canadian portion of the Arctic. Canada does not have the military means to prevent Russia from annexing parts of Canada in the far North.Also Lithuania and /or Estonia could be annexed by Russia.Nato cannot stop Russia, its weak and compromised by Russia economically, at least Germany is for sure, they get ALL of their natural gas from Russia, so Germany is unlikely to stand in Russia’s adventurism in Europe. Canada can’t, its ruled by an ideologue privileged class of Liberals and Socialists who get more upset by male dominated Saudi Arabia than they would about the Russian annexation of Canada’s far North.

In short, Russia has NATO and Canada by the short hairs, and there is not much the USA can do about it.


23 posted on 12/06/2018 4:56:48 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: CondorFlight

[Remember the Maine...]


Remember Munich. When the Maine incident occurred, Spain had pretty much lost all of its overseas territories, including 90+% of Latin America. At that point, it was maybe 10% the size of the US.

Today, Russia is almost 2x the size of the second largest country on Earth (Canada). Its continual expansion despite its gargantuan land holdings means that its territorial ambitions are insatiable.


24 posted on 12/06/2018 4:59:04 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: trotskylvalia

most people read the msm for history and do not realize Crimea has been russian for hundreds of years. The people voted overwhelmly to rejoin russia.


25 posted on 12/06/2018 5:02:42 PM PST by davidb56
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To: MeganC

You need to put your lil’ chickenhawk neocon war drum down and take a deep breath.

History has taught me that the euroweenies expect us to step in and save their sorry asses time and again when they fail to defend themselves.

If Putin is such a threat, why aren’t THEY gearing up and riding to the sounds of the guns?

...and where are the feckless UN “peacekeepers” we pay for?

Too busy pushing “immigrants” down our throats.


26 posted on 12/06/2018 5:03:41 PM PST by TADSLOS (I wish Adam and Eve had been Cajuns. They would have ignored the apple and ate the snake.)
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To: Candor7

[If Russia backs down on its claim to control access to the Black Sea,, then watch the Russian Artic brigade, they may claim oil rich Arctic territory by sending troops into the Canadian portion of the Arctic. Canada does not have the military means to prevent Russia from annexing parts of Canada in the far North.Also Lithuania and /or Estonia could be annexed by Russia.Nato cannot stop Russia, its weak and compromised by Russia economically, at least Germany is for sure, they get ALL of their natural gas from Russia, so Germany is unlikely to stand in Russia’s adventurism in Europe. Canada can’t, its ruled by an ideologue privileged class of Liberals and Socialists who get more upset by male dominated Saudi Arabia than they would about the Russian annexation of Canada’s far North.

In short, Russia has NATO and Canada by the short hairs, and there is not much the USA can do about it.]


If Russia could seize these areas without a US response, it would already have done so. It simply lacks the capability take and hold the territory against a US counter attack. And its economy would collapse under a Western trade embargo. Despite Russia’s substantial oil and gas reserves, Russians will finally get to experience life in Ukraine without actually having overrun Ukraine.


27 posted on 12/06/2018 5:03:55 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Technically, the US is not a party to the treaty and isn’t bound by it.

Lots of limitations on tonnage and number of vessles based on various circumstances. Article 14 - no more than 9 vessels aggregating 15,000 tons displacement in transit. Article 17 -No use of aircraft while in transit. Article 18 - tonnage in the Black Sea not to exceed 30,000 tons. Limit of 21 days.


28 posted on 12/06/2018 5:04:44 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Ancesthntr
We can’t bag and tag a bunch of goat-humping cave dwellers...

We most certainly have, and continue to “bag and tag a bunch of goat-humping cave dwellers”.

And Russia knows better than to F with us.

29 posted on 12/06/2018 5:05:31 PM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Candor7
at least Germany is for sure, they get ALL of their natural gas from Russia

Germany penned a deal with Trump to buy US LNG in addition to having a new Russian pipeline. Try to keep up.

30 posted on 12/06/2018 5:11:41 PM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Candor7

Yeah, but that’s “under the surface” at this point. Though they will ‘go there’ at some point beefore too long.
Now they’re just (falsely) claiming the Ukrainian ships were operating unsafely.

What they’d like changed:
There’s a 2003 bilateral treaty designating the Sea of Azov and Kerch Strait as shared territorial waters and the UN Law of the Sea, which guarantees access through the strait.


31 posted on 12/06/2018 5:12:08 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: davidb56

[most people read the msm for history and do not realize Crimea has been russian for hundreds of years. The people voted overwhelmly to rejoin russia.]


And the Sudetenland had been German for hundreds of years. So what? The principal significance of the Crimea to Ukraine is that it prevents Russia from controlling both sides of the Kerch Strait. The Kerch Strait controls access to over half of Ukraine’s coastline, and all of its major ports. Whereas Russia has plenty of other ports in the Black Sea. In the long run, Ukraine will need to rebuild its ports in a locale less vulnerable to Russian attack. But ports don’t build themselves and cost a lot of money. And a good chunk of Ukrainian industry is located near its existing ports. That will also have to be moved.


32 posted on 12/06/2018 5:13:35 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: trotskylvalia

“Crimea was Russian before communists.”

Well, it was a Russian navy base about 6 years before George Washington was sworn in. That damned Catherine the Great annexed it.


33 posted on 12/06/2018 5:16:47 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino

[Well, it was a Russian navy base about 6 years before George Washington was sworn in. That damned Catherine the Great annexed it.]


Poland was conquered by Russia around that time. Maybe we should let the Russians have it.


34 posted on 12/06/2018 5:21:17 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: DesertRhino
The deepest part of the Sea of Azov is 14m deep. The average depth is 7m.

A Burke class destroyers requires is a minimum of 9m under the keel. This could get very entertaining.

35 posted on 12/06/2018 5:34:37 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Zhang Fei

This could get very interesting.

My fear is that Iran wants to really, really sink a major US Naval vessel. Could the Republican Guard be invited into Turkey with some long range weaponry and do the dirty work for Russia? Sure they could.


36 posted on 12/06/2018 5:42:13 PM PST by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Why interests does the US have in the Black Sea?


37 posted on 12/06/2018 5:59:52 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Rashputin

[The deepest part of the Sea of Azov is 14m deep. The average depth is 7m.

A Burke class destroyers requires is a minimum of 9m under the keel. This could get very entertaining.]


That average includes the part close to the shore. I’d be surprised if the warship got within a mile of land that wasn’t a Ukrainian harbor.


38 posted on 12/06/2018 6:02:33 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: C19fan

[Why interests does the US have in the Black Sea?]


That same interests that we have in the Western Pacific - the defense of our allies against encroachment by a massive foreign power. Russia is already 2x the size of the next largest country on Earth. Do we want it to be 3x, 4x or 5x before we start trying to prevent it from getting any bigger? Germany had a case for lebensraum - it was 1/35 the land area of present-day Russia before it decided to conquer the world. That Russia, at almost 2x the land area of the next largest country (Canada), wants more land is an indication that its land hunger is limitless.


39 posted on 12/06/2018 6:08:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei (They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Funny, charts of the depth disagree with you showing that a large majority of the Sea is only ten meters deep.

https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/AZOV2006/HTML/TOPOGRAPHY/AzovSeaBatimetry.jpg

40 posted on 12/06/2018 6:14:50 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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