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Court of Appeals Upholds New Jersey Law Banning 15-Round Mags
GunsAmerica Digest ^ | 12/6/18 | Max Slowik

Posted on 12/07/2018 7:17:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants

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To: Blood of Tyrants

Everyone should just claim to be a retired police officer.
Just like men claiming to be women; women claiming to be men; whites claiming to be black; political oligarchs claiming to be indigenous Americans - Proven science.


21 posted on 12/07/2018 8:05:02 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Strangest civil war in history, only one side is shooting.)
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To: Victor

"...Can I legally still go to my range with 15-round mags loaded with only 10 cartridges..."


From what I have seen of the law written in your state, doing that would make you a felon.
Simply owning those 15-round magazines...sitting empty on a shelf in your basement...makes you a felon.
Penalties include a mandatory and non-negotiable prison sentence for possession of a magazine greater than 10 rounds. Be very careful.


22 posted on 12/07/2018 8:06:02 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: frog in a pot

It appears as though most states doing this type of thing carve out exceptions for ‘retire LE’ and ‘active duty military’.

Many retired military have more experience, not only with a variety of platforms, but with ROE and use of deadly force.

One can only assume the politicians perceive us to be potential irritants in the future, as they work to disarm us. They’re right.


23 posted on 12/07/2018 8:07:53 AM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Finally, because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens, the law’s exemption that permits them to possess magazines that can hold more than ten rounds does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause,” the court argued.


1. So I gather that the 3rd Circuit thinks that “Equal Protection” thing in the 14th Amendment doesn’t really matter all that much.

2. I might have missed something, during all 1,000+ times that I read the 2nd Amendment, but I’m pretty sure that there is no “training and experience” requirement that modifies the “shall not be infringed” clause in the 2nd.

“This decision is plainly wrong and upholds New Jersey’s unconstitutional law turning one million honest citizens into felons for keeping property obtained legally that could be used for defending their lives,” said New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs’ executive director Scott Bach. “The decision will be further appealed.”


I left NJ 18 years ago this month. The furniture, books, etc. went with the movers, but my guns, ammo, etc. went with my wife and I (we’d been married for about 18 months at that point, and she didn’t know much about guns other than that I had them). As we passed the “Welcome to Delaware” sign on the Delaware Memorial Bridge, I turned to my wife and said, “Now that we’re over the state line, you don’t have to worry about bailing me out of prison.” Her jaw dropped, and she asked me why. I explained the NJ law against magazines that were “too big.” She then asked me how many I had. I told her, “Well, about 18 inches behind my ass is roughly 200 years worth in Rahway State Prison.” She turned white as a sheet and didn’t say anything for about 30 seconds (which, I promise you, is very uncharacteristic of her). She then asked if there were laws like that in Texas, to which I replied, “No, Texas is in America.” I didn’t even mention the roughly 1,000 rounds of hollow point ammo that was also in the back of the vehicle...I’m pretty sure that she’d have stroked out on me if I had told her that those were worth a nice couple thousand years in the Graybar Hotel. :>)

FYI, I went there a couple summers back for a family reunion, to visit a few friends and tour NYC with the wife and kids. I brought along a Smith J-frame, as it was legal in every state along the way except Maryland and NJ. I unloaded it and buried it and the ammo under a bunch of suitcases while in those states, but I’m very well aware that I broke NJ law by bringing in a handgun and the ammo...and I simply didn’t (and don’t) give a damn. They’d have also had to violate the 4th Amendment to get to the gun and ammo, and I’d have had a nice lawsuit for deprivation of rights under color of law (but, make no mistake, I was happier to just be left alone).

Sad to hear that NJ is becoming an even worse shithole than when I left. It seems like the only worthwhile thing there is the orchards and the roadside farm stands.


24 posted on 12/07/2018 8:12:28 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Victor

“So what am I supposed to do with all of my Beretta 92 mags that hold 15 rounds?”


Get a note from your doctor, explaining that you identify as a retired (woman) police officer.


25 posted on 12/07/2018 8:14:06 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They should have known they would need to appeal this and I believe they do.

We need a court decision from SCOTUS
or a Federal Law blocking the states and local jurisdictions from incrementally killing the Second Amendment by a bridging it continually like this.


26 posted on 12/07/2018 8:18:24 AM PST by ZULU (Jeff Sessions should be tried for sedition.)
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To: Ancesthntr; Victor

No, strike that. The note should indicate that you identify as a retired black, female, lesbian police officer.

Seriously, don’t get caught with those mags anywhere in the state. I lived with dozens of 20- and 30-round AR, Ruger Mini-14 and SKS mags for about 10 years before moving out. Heck, I BOUGHT them (in Pennsylvania and mail-ordered to my job in NYC!) during the ban and brought them in. Keep it for an emergency...or sell it to someone who actually lives in the United States one day when you travel outside of the Peoples Democratic Republik of Neu Joisey.


27 posted on 12/07/2018 8:20:24 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Ex Post Facto “Law”.

Not allowed in the United States of America.


28 posted on 12/07/2018 8:23:18 AM PST by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“and they must modify, destroy or register any magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.”

They can’t be taken anywhere to be modified or even turned in, the new law made transporting them illegal, and that was effective immediately, not Dec. 10th. So unless you destroy them at home you’re stuck with them. And the registration exemption only applies to guns with magazines that can’t be modified or replaced with 10 round magazines, very few guns fit that category.


29 posted on 12/07/2018 8:23:20 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Victor

Seal them in a box addressed to a friend living in a State where they are legal. Next, apply US postage stamps on the box and place it on your shelf. Now they need a federal warrant to open the box.


30 posted on 12/07/2018 8:29:04 AM PST by SirFishalot
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“The courts once again making it clear that the Constitution is meaningless.”

The 3rd circuit was about to flip with the pending nomination of Trump pick Paul Matey but guess who put that on hold, Senator Fake. That traitor can’t make his exit soon enough.


31 posted on 12/07/2018 8:33:26 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Blood of Tyrants

How about 15 one round mags?/s


32 posted on 12/07/2018 8:42:43 AM PST by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Here’s a guy changing mags in .51 seconds. That’s POINT 51 seconds.

With practice I guess even 5 round mags would be okay, assuming you don’t mind loading/carrying a bunch of mags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhXpukUV_Y

Of course we all know laws limiting number of rounds per mag violate the 2A. What part of “... shall not be infiringed.” do these idiots not understand?


33 posted on 12/07/2018 8:46:16 AM PST by upchuck (When hatred of culture becomes itself a part of culture, the life of the mind loses all meaning.)
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To: Ancesthntr
1. So I gather that the 3rd Circuit thinks that “Equal Protection” thing in the 14th Amendment doesn’t really matter all that much.

Yep.

“Finally, because blue people have experience that makes them different from ordinary red people, the law’s exemption that permits them to retain free speech does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause,” the court argued.

34 posted on 12/07/2018 8:49:46 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Victor

Almost every law has exceptions. Maybe it’s in there someplace.


35 posted on 12/07/2018 8:53:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Victor

10 round mags for the Beretta 92 all over the place.


36 posted on 12/07/2018 8:56:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They said that a magazine-capacity limit does not present a burden to self-defense.

It does if what you are defending your self from is tyrannical government - you know, the underlying purpose in prohibiting government from infringing the right to keep and bear arms.

37 posted on 12/07/2018 9:03:31 AM PST by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: Victor

“I live in NJ...
So what am I supposed to do with all of my Beretta 92 mags that hold 15 rounds? I don’t think Beretta makes a modification nor do they sell 10 round mags for this gun.”

This site has a guide posted right on its homepage in regards to the new law.

https://www.anjrpc.org


38 posted on 12/07/2018 9:08:58 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Ancesthntr
Sad to hear that NJ is becoming an even worse shithole than when I left. It seems like the only worthwhile thing there is the orchards and the roadside farm stands.

Orchards and roadside farm stands are also available in the rest of America so hopefully you're no missing out on much.

I hope to be out of the People's Socialist Democratic Republic of MD in the near future, it's becoming too much like NJ, NY and the rest of the northeast.

39 posted on 12/07/2018 9:09:36 AM PST by rllngrk33 (Time for all patriotic Americans to boycott liberals and all SJW/PC bullsh*t.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal celebrated the decision ... "a sensible law to address mass shootings,”

Thank goodness that those who commit mass shootings will obey THIS law, while ignoring the laws against murder!!!

Your keen insight into the criminal mind is clearly what qualifies you for the AG position, Mr G!

40 posted on 12/07/2018 9:13:31 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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