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Posted on 12/08/2018 3:10:30 PM PST by aimhigh
CAIRO - Egypts Christians are optimistic following the first Coptic mass in Saudi Arabia. Dozens of Coptic Christians attended the mass at a tourist facility in Riyadh.
The mass, Egypts Christians said, reflects the tremendous changes happening in Saudi Arabia. It even portends more change in that great country in the future, said Father Polis Halim, spokesman of the Egyptian Coptic Orthodox Church. Saudi Arabia is showing an admirable degree of tolerance that gives us a lot of hope.
The story began in May when Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz visited Saint Marks Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in Cairo and met with Coptic Pope Tawadros II. The crown prince invited Tawadros to visit Saudi Arabia and check on the condition of the Copts mostly expat Egyptians living there.
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So there won't be any "Christians" in Saudi Arabia until fundamentalist born against evangelical protestants show up, I guess. (Apparently there weren't any "Christians" anywhere in the world until the 1800s or so)
The left is perfectly willing to derail reform in Sauidi Arabia to get at President Trump.
Allowing the leftist media to pick and choose what outrage is important is equivalent to letting them run the government.
Wow! God knows I’ve had my troubles here with anti-Catholic evangelicals but you really put the icing on the cake! Expect you and I to suffer for your comments!
Are you saying that Copts are not Christians? Fundamentalist Protestants are out of place in the Middle East where Christianity is mostly Coptic or of Eastern Orthodox varieties - all of which are closer in practice, ritual, and philosophy to original Christianity (before the muslims destroyed it in 675-765AD) than Fundamentalist Protestants who are relative new comers to Christianity.
Why the swamp rats, Dems, media, etc are so ticked off at the Crown Prince.
Ill let you in on a little secret: There are almost as many Christians in Saudi Arabia as there are musli. They do most of the work around there.
“This is a big deal, and it shows why Kashoggii is relatively unimportant.”
Kashoggii was Muslim Brotherhood i.e. OUR enemy.
The media sympathy for this guy was just Trump anti-propaganda.
A bit off topic. Met a woman from Iran last week. She’s a Christian, has family still in Iran and she said the government of Iran never messed with the Christians.
Anybody here know anything about this??? Was surprised to hear this.
Here is an article from August of 2018 saying they are highly persecuted.
Many years ago I was passing thru Hufof SA and had a Christian cemetery pointed out to me. It was in ruins and surrounded by a small mud wall. Not sure if it was real but was interesting.
I know that there was a Catholic bishop in Abu Dhabi in 1993 when I was there. I am sure he celebrated Mass, daily. I’m pretty sure that there were Catholic priests in the ARAMCO facilities in the ‘70’s.
On the other hand, I’ve read posts by Catholics here stating that all Protestants and Orthodox are not part off the one, true, ordained by God Roman Catholic Church, and are therefore in actual fact dyed in the wool heretics.
A friend of mine worked in SA in the 1970s and he said that the authorities would check baggage to make sure no Bibles were brought in. I don’t know if they still do that.
Thanks. That makes more sense than what I was told.
Live in the D.C. area and one of my Muslim friends was excited she found a mosque she could go to. “It’s my Jesus mosque!” Before that she went to the National Cathedral to pray.
Met a priest at work this week who was a hoot and then some. I am so going out to his parish tomorrow.
On the other hand, I've met NUMEROUS protestants on FR who claim the only people who count as Christian are other fundamentalist, born-again, Evangelical protestants. The remaining 90% of people who self-identify as Christians are false, unbiblical heretics who have "never been saved", including most of their fellow protestants. They also have an annoying habit of pretending the 300-500 million Orthodox Christians around the world do not exist, and pretend like "only the Catholics" do things like venerate the Virgin Mary and pray to saints and call priests "Father"
Speaking as a Protestant, I must agree. I've met plenty here, who are more than ready to judge who's saved and who ain't. I suppose, by their reckoning, there's no need for the judgement, since they've already done the judging.
What really matters: does a person have the Holy Spirit or not. If you don't, or not sure, seek forgiveness and REPENT.
Some are born with the Holy Spirit. They have the ways of the Almighty written on their hearts, and it matters not which border they reside within; or IQ; or religion; or DNA; or material possessions.
In John 14, Yeshua/Jesus said,
I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well.
With few exceptions, relatively speaking (e.g., those who are truly his), everyone will be judged by Him. This is what he means. Even Daniel was told by the angels, As for you [Daniel], go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.
Those who will be saved are those who have the Holy Spirit.
..., every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.
Jesus said, If ye love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Keeping the commands of Jesus begins with recognizing what they are. Following is a collection of 49 of Jesus commands. As you read through them, ask God to help you observe these words, apply them, and faithfully follow them throughout your lifetime.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17).
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men (Matthew 4:19).
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you (Matthew 5:1112).
Let Your Light Shine
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven (Matthew 5:16).
Honor Gods Law
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17).
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee; leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift (Matthew 5:2325).
Do Not Lust
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell (Matthew 5:2830).
Keep Your Word
Let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil (Matthew 5:37).
Go the Second Mile
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away (Matthew 5:3842).
Love Your Enemies
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? (Matthew 5:4446).
If ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect (Matthew 5:4648).
Practice Secret Disciplines
. . . When thou doest thine alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. . . . When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. . . . When thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; that thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly (Matthew 6:118).
Lay Up Treasures
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also (Matthew 6:1921).
Seek Gods Kingdom
Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you (Matthew 6:33).
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (Matthew 7:13).
Do Not Cast Pearls
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you (Matthew 7:6).
Ask, Seek, Knock
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened (Matthew 7:78).
Do Unto Others
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets (Matthew 7:12).
Choose the Narrow Way v Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:1314).
Beware of False Prophets
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:1516).
Pray for Laborers
The harvest truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few; pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest (Matthew 9:3738).
Be Wise as Serpents
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16).
Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28).
Hear Gods Voice
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear (Matthew 11:15).
Take My Yoke
Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light (Matthew 11:2830).
Honor Your Parents
For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, he that curseth father or mother, let him die the death (Matthew 15:4).
Beware of Leaven
Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees (Matthew 16:6).
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? (Luke 9:2325).
Despise Not Little Ones
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 18:10).
Go to Offenders
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican (Matthew 18:1517).
Beware of Covetousness
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a mans life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth (Luke 12:15).
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven (Matthew 18:2122).
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (Matthew 19:46).
Be a Servant
. . . Whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; and whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many (Matthew 20:2628).
Be a House of Prayer
It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer . . . (Matthew 21:13).
Ask in Faith
Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea: it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive (Matthew 21:2122).
Bring In the Poor
Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompense be made thee. But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: and thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:1214).
Render to Caesar
Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesars. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesars; and unto God the things that are Gods (Matthew 22:1921).
Love the Lord
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment (Matthew 22:3738).
Love Your Neighbor
And the second [commandment] is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:3940).
Await My Return
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh (Matthew 24:4244).
Take, Eat, and Drink
As they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:2628).
Be Born Again
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Keep My Commandments
If ye love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). Watch and Pray
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak (Matthew 26:41).
Feed My Sheep
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jona, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jona, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep (John 21:1516).
Baptize My Disciples
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Receive Gods Power
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high (Luke 24:49).
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations . . . teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen (Matthew 28:1920).
Adapted from the Commands of Christ Pocket Guide by Institute In Basic Life Principles.
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