Posted on 12/10/2018 10:54:32 AM PST by rktman
[[“Climate variability and change is a lot more complex than ‘CO2 as control knob’,” Curry said]]
Hey curry- appreciate you taking a stand, but CO2 is not a ‘control knob’ at all- there isn’t nearly enough of it to be one- the atmosphere has only 0.00136% CO2 in it- that;s it- that small amount aint controlling nuthin!
Also- ice core samples prove that temperatures always rise first- hundreds of years BEFORE CO2 rises- so how in the heck is CO2 a ‘control knob’ again?
AGW is fraud. It’s always been fraud. It will only ever be fraud.
It’s a scam to fleece the sheep and create the appearance of a need for a totalitarian government. It has never been anything else.
It’s amazing they can even measure such a small amount of CO2 ,oh wait so they make it up
No one wants to hear this, or actually spend time understanding things ... or anything else which require more than 30 seconds to understand - hence sound bites teach all anyone needs to know abut anything.
And so America declined into a vacuous vacuum headed mindless morass of unthinking porno watching gamers seeking ever more free stuff at some one else’s expense.
Possibly being facetious?
I find it interesting that after years and years of development of computer modeling in aircraft design, engineers still also use wind tunnels. Arguably, the amount of variables involved in aircraft (or auto) development are many fewer and less complex than those involved in weather and climate on a planetary scale, yet there is still enough uncertainty that an actual physical model system remains indispensable. Yet, climate scientists use computer modeling exclusively in their predictions and have the hubris to say it's ‘settled science’..
btt
The root cause of every human ill is capitalism and freedom. So according to every leftist on earth.
CO2 is just a by-product of capitalism and freedom.
Bump!
Not when there's grant money at stake. She is correct that nobody should base political policy on bad science but it turns out that the scientists who are complicit are the ones who get the cash.
I didn’t read the whole article- but usually these folks believe man is responsible- they just differ on how much- the excerpt sounded like he still believes man is responsible, but questions how much- The facts show that CO2 isn’t a control knob at all- there isn’t nearly enough for starts, and the facts show CO2 follows heat temp rises, not preceding it-
“environmentalism is the future of socialism” - German Minister at the 1986 world socialist conference.
“Ecosocialism combines the ideas of ecology and socialism, ... it would make a drastic impact and open the door to a clean energy future”
[[Yet, climate scientists use computer modeling exclusively in their predictions and have the hubris to say it’s ‘settled science’..]]
When the facts refute the claims, scream ‘DENIERS!” and claim that it’s “Settled Science” to shut down any debate and to try to make your opponents look like ignorant clueless ‘science deniers’, ‘science haters’- that’s how science works these days
“All of the AGW types keep using CO2 as the root cause of warming. Ice core analysis has shown time and again that CO2 FOLLOWS all global warming. “
Right.
But THIS TIME is different!/s
If you really want to drive those types crazy, ask them 2 questions:
- Is mankind special, or are we just advanced monkeys?
- If we’re just advanced monkeys, then our existence is just another part of the natural world, so why are you trying to curb our natural behavior?
The Greenland Ice sheet (the part on land, not sea ice) is growing not melting. If that continues and spreads to other ice sheets the oceans will retreat not rise.
Interesting thought. A model that complex would require a Cray at the very least, and they ain’t cheap.
My largest concern with any predictive model is, of course, the data being fed into it. I believe that there are those who wish to produce an accurate model and get scientific results that can be scrutinized and seen as competent. But without hundreds of thousands of reporting stations, physically separated from artificial heating and cooling, the extracted data is tainted if not discardable.
Stations need to accurately report: temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, wind speed and direction. All of those factors need reported at the surface, 5k’, 10k’, 30k’ and 100k’ in order to garner an accurate representation of conditions on the planet.
After that, we need external influencers such as the Sun and its derivatives such as CME’s and sun spots. Then, we need to account for gravitational perterbations and the moon’s influence as well as that of the oceans and large lakes.
Most of this is conveniently overlooked in climate models.
“The root cause of every human ill is capitalism and freedom. So according to every leftist on earth.
CO2 is just a by-product of capitalism and freedom”.
That is all you need to know to understand what is going on.
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