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The Path to Give California 12 Senators, and Vermont Just One (barf alert)
The Atlantic ^ | 1-2-2019 | Eric W. Orts

Posted on 01/05/2019 5:13:44 AM PST by Impy

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To: Impy

Thanks for the update. I wasn’t aware of that.

Be that as it may, on my bucket list is pissing on his grave.


61 posted on 01/05/2019 7:55:14 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Disarming Liberals...Real Common Sense Gun Control!)
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The Senate is the echo chamber for the state governments, not the individual citizenry groupings. 17th amendment must be repealed.


62 posted on 01/05/2019 7:56:20 AM PST by USCG SimTech
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To: Impy

California and New York have stated that they have seceded. Don’t seat the Fake senators from either state. Precedent was set in 1861.


63 posted on 01/05/2019 8:00:03 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Impy

The Democrats want to dismantle our Federal form of government, especially those provisions that protect the rights of minorities, both individuals and States. Of course, the Democrats claim that they are the champions of the minority, but that is true only in the sense that they invite minorities to contribute their votes to the Democrat cause, and then the intellectually superior Democrat leaders will do what is best for all of these minority groups. The abhor the concept of individual rights and liberty. Those rights must belong to an identity group and their self identified leaders will act in their best interests. This was the construct of the USSR where the rights of races, tribes, and regions were completely protected, but that the rights of individuals were nonexistent.

The Democrats are working to destroy the Constitution and concentrate power and authority within a central government that is superficially duly elected, but under an open borders arrangement, Democrats only need to import voters where ever and when ever they are required. They could even be sent back when the election is over if they prove to be troublesome. This happened in the United States, in Kansas, where the Democrats imported voters from Missouri for election days to ensure that Kansas was not admitted as a Free State. Lots of free whiskey in border towns like Leavenworth and Kickapoo was sufficient to attract voters across the river. The Democrats know how to do these sort of things.


64 posted on 01/05/2019 8:07:04 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Impy
This apportionment shows how out of whack the current Senate has become.

That's the article speaking. While I'll quickly argee the Senate is out of whack, changing the apportionment is NOT the solution. IMHO, that's going backwards.

65 posted on 01/05/2019 8:14:17 AM PST by upchuck (Liberalism is a foul and nasty mental disease for which the suffers should seek professional help.)
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To: Impy

If Texas follows California’s lead, we’ll have about 40 Senators.


66 posted on 01/05/2019 8:32:41 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: Impy

The obvious solution is for Vermont to import more illegals.


67 posted on 01/05/2019 8:43:28 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Impy

Maybe the “WALL” should be built around California.

To keep the lunatics in.


68 posted on 01/05/2019 9:05:08 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Impy
As far as breaking up California goes, I have not heard anyone even suggest an idea that would not unbalance the senate.

Divide California into three parts. North of Sacramento would become part of Oregon. Central California would be the west side of the state from Sacramento south to San Diego. And the mostly empty eastern side of the state would become part of Nevada.

(rough map)

Full disclosure: I like Arizona.

69 posted on 01/05/2019 9:09:46 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("There is no 'try' only sasuga!")
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To: Impy

This or any other way to circumvent the 2 Senators per state rule would trigger a civil war they would lose badly and cause the disillusionment of the United States of America. I’ve always thought a second Civil War was a ridiculous dream for some people and an empty threat for others, but for this issue I would stand and physically fight for the future of America and the freedom of my children and grandchildren.


70 posted on 01/05/2019 9:41:08 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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To: Impy

the two senators per state rule is to prevent Mob rule.


71 posted on 01/05/2019 10:06:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...
Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping.

The whole argument of this article is based on penumbras and emanations.

72 posted on 01/05/2019 10:06:41 AM PST by Publius
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To: PeteB570; GraceG

Exactly. Repeal the 17th Amendment. Probably never happen.


73 posted on 01/05/2019 10:11:29 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

not going to happen.
Anyone who thinks the little states, population wise, are going to give an inch to the large populated ones is nuts.
Be like Slovakia Giving away its sovernity to the E.U./
Oh, wait,


74 posted on 01/05/2019 10:33:03 AM PST by Joe Boucher ( Molon Labe' baby, Molon Labe)
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To: Impy

They really do hate the Constitution.

The history of this is that it was a compromise. The bigger states thought each state should be represented in Congress according to population; the smaller states argued that a state is a state is a state, so the representation should be equal.

What the Framers ultimately came up with was a compromise that served both interests and furthered their design of diffusing power.

This design was recreated (at our suggestion) in the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany, where there are two hoses in Parliament — the Bundestag (translated “people’s house”) and the Landestag (translated “states’ house.”)

We are supposed to be a union of sovereign states in which each state is equal.

It’s true that the Senate is undemocratic. It was supposed to be. Its job is to represent each state, not to represent teh people.

Taht is also why the 17th Amendment should be repealed.


75 posted on 01/05/2019 2:20:23 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Impy
Senator Moynihan suggested big states could break up

Which would likely not have quite the effect that the Democrats would like.

76 posted on 01/05/2019 2:21:39 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: TBP

I’ve heard the electoral college’s function is to ‘give dirt a vote.’ That may be true, but it keeps the urbanites from raping everyone else.


77 posted on 01/05/2019 2:23:58 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Vaquero

Some years ago, there was talk of having New England secede and join with the Maritime Provinces to form Acadia.

We know the left would like to form a new nation in the Southwest called Aztlan.

California has talked about seceding. Texas reserved that right, and also the right to break up into several states.

Some of Canada’s Western provinces talked about seceding from Canada and joining the USA. (They’re the relatively conservative parts of Canada.)

I’m sure the left would love that!


78 posted on 01/05/2019 2:25:48 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: BenLurkin

Why bother having senators?


Good question. Is it a holdover from the House of Lords? Or is it to hobble the forces of change? For a system designed to keep government to the minimum, it hasn’t.


79 posted on 01/05/2019 2:26:56 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

If we had a strict popular vote system, California would have decided the president. Mrs. Clinton’s margin in California was larger than her ((recorded) margin in the whole country.

IOW, take out California and Trump wins the popular vote, even by the possibly corrupt reported numbers.


80 posted on 01/05/2019 2:27:35 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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