I'd bet she supported socialism in the beginning also.
Posted on 02/17/2019 9:43:17 AM PST by Libloather
Socialism may be the chic belief among some progressive Democrats and independents. American voters, however, give a very tepid review of socialism according to new Fox News poll.
It found that only a quarter of registered U.S. voters them gave thumbs up to socialism — the economic ideology praised by Sen. Bernie Sanders, Vermont independent, and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat.
“Capitalism buries socialism,” said Fox News polling director Dana Blanton.
“Despite the prominence of socialistic ideas and policy proposals in recent weeks, Americans are favorable toward the merits of the capitalistic system. And they’re bullish on the state of the economy,” reported Republican pollster Daron Shaw, who conducted the poll with Democrat Chris Anderson.
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I don’t buy it... I have at least one older and 3 younger relatives that are all in on socialism
Got Venezuela ?
But-but-but capitalism allows just ONE person to accumulate so much wealth he or she will never be able to spend it all in one lifetime....
Isn’t that the point?
Spending the last years of your life penniless and at the mercy of strangers is no way to go out of this world.
Socialism assures that outcome for at least 90% of the population.
Must be why the Rats are trying to import ignorant, uneducated, unskilled labor from south of the border. They’re easier to control and influence.
A lot of younger adults and kids are fairly conservative. Honestly. It’s the millennials and some of my fellow gen X’ers who seem to lean left.
"When I see the present Socialist Government denouncing capitalism in all its forms, mocking with derision and contempt the tremendous free enterprise capitalist system on which the mighty production of the United States is founded, I cannot help feeling that as a nation we are not acting honorably or even honestly." - Winston Churchill, Woodford Green, July 10, 1948."We shall not allow the advance of society and economic well-being of the nation to be regulated and curtailed by the pace of the weakest bretheren among us. Proper incentives must be offered and full freedom given to the strong to use their strength in the commonweal. Initiative, enterprise, thrift, domestic foresight, contrivance, good housekeeping and natural ability must reap their just reward. On any other plan the population of this island will sink by disastrous and agonizing stages to a far lower standard of life and two-thirds of its present numbers." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blenheim Palace, August 4, 1947.
"The difference between what is seen and what is not seen was often noticed by the old economists. What is not seen is the infinite variety of individual transactions and decisions which, in a civilized society, within the framework of just and well-known laws, insure the advantage not only of the individual concerned, but of the community, and provide that general body of well-being constituting the wealth of nations. All this is blotted out by an over-riding State control, however imposing some of its manifestations may be. It is the vital creative impulse that that I deeply fear the doctrines and policy of the socialist Government have destroyed, or are rapidly destroying, in our national life. Nothing that they can plan and order and rush around enforcing will take its place. They have broken the mainspring, and until we get a new one the watch will not go." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, October 28, 1947.
"It is in the interest of the wage-earner to have many other alternatives open to him than service under one all-powerful employer called the State. He will be in a better position to bargain collectively and production will be more abundant; there will be more for all and more freedom for all when the wage earner is able, in the large majority of cases, to choose and change his work, and deal with a private employer who, like himself, is subject to the ordinary pressures of life and, like himself, is dependent upon his personal thrift, ingenuity and good-housekeeping." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blackpool, October 5, 1946
"Liberalism (classical liberalism) has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly." - Winston Churchill, Kinnaird Hall, Dundee, May 14, 1908.
"The British nation now has to make one of the most momentous choices in its history. That choice is between two ways of life: between individual liberty and State domination: between concentration of ownership in the hands of the State and the extension of a property-owning democracy; between a policy of increasing restraint and a policy of liberating energy and ingenuity: between a policy of levelling down and a policy of finding opportunities for all to rise upwards from a basic standard." - Winston Churchill, speech in Woodford, England, January 28, 1950.
"It is curious that, while in the days of my youth I was much reproached with inconsistency and being changeable, I am now scolded for adhering to the same views I had early in life and even of repeating passages from speeches which I made long before most of you were born. Of course the world moves on and we dwell in a constantly changing climate of opinion. But the broad principles and truths of wise and sane political actions do not necessarily alter with the changing moods of a democratic electorate. Not everything changes. Two and two still make four, and I could give you many other instances which go to prove that all wisdom is not new wisdom." - Winston Churchill, speech, Bele vue, Manchester, December 6, 1947.
"It is not Parliament that should rule; it is the people who should rule through Parliament." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. November 11, 1947.
"We have to combat the wolf of socialism, and we shall be able to do it far more effectively as a pack of hounds than as a flock of sheep." - Winston Churchill, speech, 1937.
"Athough it is now put forward in the main by people who have a good grounding in the Liberalism and Radicalism of the early part of this century, there can be no doubt that Socialism is inseparably interwoven with Totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State. It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of Socialism." - Winston Churchill, B.B.C radio address, June 4, 1945.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill, House of Commons, October 22, 1945.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill, Perth, May 28, 1948.
"I do not wonder that British youth is in revolt against the morbid doctrine that nothing matters but the equal sharing of miseries: that what used to be called the submerged tenth can only be rescued by bringing the other nine-tenths down to their level; against the folly that it is better that everyone should have half rations rather than that any by their exertions, or ability, should earn a second helping." - Winston Churchill, London, June 22, 1948.
"Socialism is based on the idea of an all-powerful State which owns everything, which plans everything, which distributes everything, and thus through its politicians and officials decides the daily life of the individual citizen." - Winston Churchill, London, January 21, 1950.
"The British and Americans do not war with races or governments as such. Tyranny, external or internal, is our foe whatever trappings and disguises it wears, whatever language it speaks, or perverts." - Winston Churchill, Speech, Dorchester Hotel, London, July 4, 1953.
"You may try to destroy wealth, and find that all you have done is to increase poverty." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. March 12, 1947.
"Nor should it be supposed as you would imagine, to read some of the Left-wing newspaper, that all Americans are multi-millionaires of Wall Street. If they were all multi-millionaires that would be no reason for condemning a system which has produced such material results.: - Winston Churchill, speech, Royal Albert Hall, London. April 21, 1948.
"Rich men, although valuable to the revenue, are not vital to a healthy state of society, but a society in which rich men are got rid of, from motives of jealousy, is not a healthy state." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, April 24, 1950.
I'd bet she supported socialism in the beginning also.
“Got Venezuela” ?
The problem is that the 98% of the Media has not reported what has happened in Venezuela. Most Americans don’t have a clue about Venezuela. This is another example of the media’s “Censorship by Omission”...simply don’t report on negative stories that show the truth.
Cortez is a shooting star: burning brightly, but quickly fizzling.
socialism might possibly be going down in popularity right now, but demagogic offers of Free Stuff are always capable of catching on again
our liberty (or what’s left of it)...is not free, it has a price (eternal vigilance)
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also, it doesn’t help the cause of liberty to have so many Americans getting stuck having to pay higher federal income tax bills this year, while Amazon Corporation has to pay Zero taxes on Billions of dollars of income this year (or last year for that matter). Say whatever one wishes about this, its causing a lot of dissatisfaction even among many of PDJT’s strongest supporters............and it is SO OBVIOUSLY capable of becoming a demagogic issue for the commie leftists....... too..........that I sure hope PDJT can fix this QUICKLY (in time for this April’s filing deadline!)......how? he needs Congress’ help.... and fast.... will he get it? possible, since the left might have to cooperate due to the Amazon issue.......even if they hate working Americans and would love to keep the new tax increases on the their backs
Certainly that has been the bleating of the media, but it's not true. When their taxes were reduced, their witholding was also reduced which resulted in lower refunds in some cases. A refund is nothing more than a return of your money that you allowed the government to use for free. Those who suffered from the limits on deductions for state and local taxes, tough. I was tired of subsidizing their left wing local governments.
i am not talking about the folks who had reduced withholding. indeed, i am speaking about folks who actually increased their withholding each payday ... in anticipation of having to pay higher taxes due to the many changes in the law (such as the much-publicized SALT deduction cap and the less-publicized abolition of employee working expense deductions, for starters).
those provisions (and a few more) in the new tax law have really hurt many American taxpayers.......and I don’t mean only the “rich!”
but you are correct about folks with lower withholding not having justifiable complaints (at least regarding the amounts their withholding was reduced)
Why should I should subsidize those who live in high tax states? They voted for these local idiots, they should pay full price for their paradise. My son and his family are leaving California this week and his company will become profitable for the first time just by moving across the state line.
“...a quarter of registered U.S. voters them gave thumbs up to socialism..”
That is scary!
If that was true why would Schummer, Waters, and so many other socialists
just like them get relected?.
Are people so stupid they do not recognize socialism?.
I understand your POV, but I am thinking of working people who bought their houses like they were supposed to (and thus, have ongoing property taxes to pay)...and, of course, who cannot force their states to lower or change any taxes...
it is unfair to change the rules for their homes, home budgets.... in the middle of the stream, imho
also, there are many many Americans with costs of working jobs...that they at least used to be able to deduct as necessary expenses of working...being productive,... and now suddenly, with zero cause or any allegations even of abuses, they have had those costs disallowed... meaning they’ve suffered a tax hike....an effective pay cut... for working the same jobs they’ve always worked.....no discussion, no reason, just take more money away from working people...
(WHILE BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE STILL PERMITTED TO DEDUCT SIMILAR COSTS OF GENERATING INCOME, which I support... so no argument there, but it is SO unfair to screw their workers without cause just because they receive W-2’s)
again, there was no significant or visible discussion, even, Congress just did this to working Americans ... I estimate that only 10 or 20 percent of workers will experience significantly higher taxes from losing these long-standing costs-of-working deductions, but there are still a lot of working folks who will get “hit”.. again, without cause, without discussion, without any policy purpose other than to increase tax collections (on working people and not on their employer businesses, so it looks pretty awful politically speaking, too)
ok, well... typing here don’t fix anything much.. so thanks for your thoughts and I will sign off now
all the best for a happy, if not necessarily prosperous, new year
I spent 25 years in military service, much overseas, and usually had no opportunity to buy a home unless I wanted to deal with bankruptcy. It sucked to live without building equity and the ability to deduct property taxes, but that’s the price of serving the country. Sometimes life isn’t fair.
indeed.
and
thanks very much for your service!!! sincerely thanks
Thanks Libloather. Of course socialism is out -- don't fall for the steady drumbeat of the Partisan Media Shills and the relative handful of loudmouth a-holes in politics.
Very good point
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