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Will Roberts Get Rolled on Census Case?
spector.org ^ | 6/17/2019 | david catron

Posted on 06/17/2019 8:43:44 AM PDT by bitt

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1 posted on 06/17/2019 8:43:44 AM PDT by bitt
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2 posted on 06/17/2019 8:44:00 AM PDT by bitt (I donate all my chips to erecting electric bleachers in Gitmo!)
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Roberts got rolled on Obamacare, why should this be different?

He is compromised and should resign.


3 posted on 06/17/2019 8:46:24 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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It’s a safer bet just to assume Judge Roberts will side with the Libs on at least 75% of his ‘5th vote’ decisions.
That way, I don’t feel so let down. Not the way I felt when this judge kept ObamaCare alive by twisting legal definitions.


4 posted on 06/17/2019 8:46:46 AM PDT by lee martell
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There is no reason NOT to ask if one is a citizen. Between the age and a yes answer, you have the potential voter numbers in each district.

Of course, I'm sure illegals will be told to "just lie".

5 posted on 06/17/2019 8:49:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Imho, Justice John Roberts has been compromised.

What is the statute of limitations on adoption fraud?

5.56mm


6 posted on 06/17/2019 8:51:22 AM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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Not the way I felt when this judge kept ObamaCare alive by twisting legal definitions.

Yep. He sure did. Twisted any logic he could find in order to justify placating the left and their attempt to destroy our country. Good job, there! Smirk-Boy!


7 posted on 06/17/2019 8:52:52 AM PDT by Pravious
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The fact that the ACLU even thinks they have standing to stop such a question on the census is horrifying. This should be slapped down because it is PURELY POLITICAL to protect the presence of ILLEGAL CRIMINALS in our country.


8 posted on 06/17/2019 8:55:07 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Roberts will get rolled. he is a weak-willed man.


9 posted on 06/17/2019 8:55:49 AM PDT by arthurus (cc....hh)
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Yes because he wants to avoid being exposed for illegally adopting his two children. They were Irish Free State citizens and the Free State of Ireland only allows adoption of her children by Irish citizens. He will vote wrong on the census issue.


10 posted on 06/17/2019 8:57:11 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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My bet is that Roberts will flop the wrong way.


11 posted on 06/17/2019 9:00:11 AM PDT by ptsal
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"Roberts got rolled on Obamacare, why should this be different?"

"Judge Roberts ... kept ObamaCare alive by twisting legal definitions."

Fellow, fellows, no one can beat me for being a conservative, but you need to understand at least EXACTLY what Roberts did when he upheld Obamacare. And don't accuse me of being a lib, I am as far right as they come but I am a technical man and also a bit of a constitutional scholar.

Roberts voted with the conservative majority on Obamacare, initially. But he did not vote to overturn the entire 2,000 page monstrosity; he only voted to overturn the individual mandate. Why? Because he thinks that citizens should live with the decisions made by their legislators. So you don't make the romantic decision that conservatives want, overturn it all, you make the decision consistent with judicial restraint. Only overturn the few lines about the mandate.

But the other conservative justices disagreed. Overturn it all, they wanted. So Roberts had to make a choice. Abandon his principle of judicial restraint and side with Scalia, Thomas et.al., or switch votes and ... this is important ... get some concesssions from the lib justices in exchange for his vote?

He chose the latter. Yes, he had to do some written contortions to accept the fact that a mandate was instead a tax, but to him this seemed less egregious than overturning 98% of a law that was fully consistent with the constitution.

But the concessions he got from Ginsburg et. al. were very significant. He got them to agree to narrowing significantly the use of the Commerce Clause for bypassing the 10th Amendment. Clarence Thomas was no doubt thrilled with that. He also got them to agree that the Feds can't use witholding money from another program as a bribe, or a cudgel, to force states to act a certain way. Obamacare would have taken away Medicare funding for states who didn't set up exchanges; that's some serious arm twisting. But in exchange for the mandate, the libs agreed that this was unconstitutional. This has always been the source of the Fed's greatest power, get you dependent on their money and then threaten to take it away for another reason. Roberts deep sixed that.

So with Roberts' legal maneuver, the states could blow off doing a state exchange without penalty. THIS IS WHAT DESTROYED OBAMACARE OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS. Without the ability to force states to act, Obamacare imploded on its own.

This was clear back in 2012, when the SCOTUS decided on Obamacare. It gave us what we wanted, just over a longer timeframe. I think Roberts knew exactly what he was doing.

So cut him some slack. He got us some major concessions and, from the perspective of a veteran Supreme Court watcher, he won for us in the end.

He didn't get rolled, he made a very clever legal gambit. Just remember that.

12 posted on 06/17/2019 9:10:12 AM PDT by tom h
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I was thinking the same thing. His kids must be college age.


13 posted on 06/17/2019 9:12:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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He smacked AZ down when they tried to enforce fed law so yes he will screw us again.


14 posted on 06/17/2019 9:12:30 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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Yes but...... the Free Republic Dogma is that Roberts was blackmailed.

Truth doesn’t matter


15 posted on 06/17/2019 9:12:31 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: tom h

So you think.

It could have/should have all been thrown out years ago.


16 posted on 06/17/2019 9:13:17 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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Roberts does not have the balls to be a good justice on the Court. He’s a despicable weasel.


17 posted on 06/17/2019 9:13:56 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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I appreciate your analysis Tom h and agree with you.

I don’t know about Roberts. But, this nation is where it is today because of the ASININE way people vote. Yes voter fraud is a problem but it’s only got to this point because we have elected horrible representatives who have aided and abetted the fraud.

We as a nation have to start voting better.

We have good voters, good patches and some really good elected officials. But not good enough. This country has got to start voting CONSISTENTLY BETTER. Hilary should not have gotten a tenth of the votes she got. Obama never should have been elected once, let alone twice. Standing against the political opinions of most Californians, Gavin Newsome does not belong in the governorship of California. Our electorate is lazy and self Indulgent and corrupt.


18 posted on 06/17/2019 9:22:47 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: tom h

I appreciate your explanation. Most of the unlearned (me) saw it as choosing which side of the argument to support or enable. “Which Tribe do you belong to, ours or theirs?”

It’s good to know the bigger picture though.
What was really contained within the penumbra of that law.


19 posted on 06/17/2019 9:22:51 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: bert

Unfortunately, just like everyone else, Freepers are not necessarily deep thinkers and don’t want to read anything longer than 140 characters.

Still, ya gotta luv em for their passion.


20 posted on 06/17/2019 9:26:55 AM PDT by tom h
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