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Will Roberts Get Rolled on Census Case?
spector.org ^ | 6/17/2019 | david catron

Posted on 06/17/2019 8:43:44 AM PDT by bitt

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To: bitt

This census is extremely important for the left. It is a political tool to them. I would not trust it since the Swamp is in charge of it.


21 posted on 06/17/2019 9:29:06 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: arthurus

“Roberts will get rolled. he is a weak-willed man.”

He won’t get rolled on this. We are going to see 5-4’s in favor of the majority and 9-0’s where the case is so far out of whack even the lib justices can’t accept it.


22 posted on 06/17/2019 9:29:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Trump is President and CEO of America, Inc.)
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To: Persevero

Nice points. However, I don’t blame Hillary any more than I blame pests for invading my garden or rats for getting into my garage and getting into the dog foot. That’s what they’re born for.

I mostly blame the media. The media is what should mostly be above reproach. Then the voters can make a better decision.

But we also have accept one other thing. Voters, by their very nature, are shallow. It is the same in all Western democracies, and in 2nd and 3rd world countries too.

I usually say that voters’ memories are incredibly short. A GOP President will get elected and lead us to a period of incredibly prosperity. He then gets re-elected by a huge majority. But a mere 4-8 years later, no matter what, those same voters elect a liberal President who promises them the world. They forget where the prosperity came from!

The same goes with foreign policy. Every 12-16 years we elect a President who during his campaign says that if we’re just nicer to our enemies, they’ll be nice back! Obama in 2008; Clinton in 1992; Carter in 1976. You’d think we’d have learned the lesson, but nooo ...

Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s changeable. Voters are shallow and they are fickle.


23 posted on 06/17/2019 9:33:12 AM PDT by tom h
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To: tom h

What condescending nonsense.


24 posted on 06/17/2019 9:34:56 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: bitt

States with large numbers of illegal aliens stand to lose seats in the House.


25 posted on 06/17/2019 9:38:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where does it say in the Constitution anyone is entitled to the property another has labored for?)
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To: EagleUSA

My observation is that pretty much whenever a leftist or leftist organization accuses the other side of something, they are projecting.


26 posted on 06/17/2019 9:46:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: tom h

With no severability clause, overturning the mandate overturned the whole law. His “gambit” was illegal, per the explicit wording of the law.


27 posted on 06/17/2019 9:46:56 AM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: bitt

Yes.


28 posted on 06/17/2019 10:00:22 AM PDT by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I don’t suppose anyone ever accused you of being an optimist? : - )


29 posted on 06/17/2019 10:02:01 AM PDT by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Agreed.


30 posted on 06/17/2019 10:02:18 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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To: tom h
"Yes, he had to do some written contortions to accept the fact that a mandate was instead a tax..."

There are no contortions involved. There is no law that mandates you purchase health insurance. What there is, is a question on your tax form asking whether you have health insurance, and a reduction of your taxes if your answer is yes. It's no different than not earning the Earned Income Credit, or many other tax provisions and is clearly a tax.

The contortions came from people who wanted to pretend it wasn't a tax because they didn't want to be seen as raising taxes. So they lied.

"THIS IS WHAT DESTROYED OBAMACARE OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS."

Obamacare is still in effect. The mandates may be gone, but there are a lot of rules and regulations in Obamacare that negatively impact health care in this country, and will be operative until there's a full repeal.

31 posted on 06/17/2019 10:17:51 AM PDT by mlo
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I am offended by your silly 3 paragraph boondoggle as to why Roberts was correct in his ruling on obamacare, now I await patiently for your 3 paragraph boondoggle as to why Roberts will be correct in his deciding that the citizenship question is unconstitutional. You and your ilk are the enemy of the people!


32 posted on 06/17/2019 10:18:24 AM PDT by cabbieguy ("I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up")
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To: Persevero

I doubt if feelings education and marijuana are going to make better voters for our country.


33 posted on 06/17/2019 10:33:03 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: MortMan

I think these is some constitutional doubt about any severability clause that would bind the hands of the SCOTUS. But you’re right, I forgot to include that.

Look, Roberts ignored even more stuff you could scream about. The legislation originated in the Senate! And tax legislation, according to the constitution, cannot originate in the Senate. So once the Obama Administration argued that the mandate was a tax, not a fee, they were arguing themselves into constitutional limbo.

Nevertheless, I have no idea why Roberts, or the other justices, ignored this point as well. I suppose it was the philosophy that the citizens need to live with the laws their legislators pass, until new legislators come along and overturn them.


34 posted on 06/17/2019 10:48:35 AM PDT by tom h
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And you’re a pathetic moron, because if you read what I said I didn’t say Roberts was correct. I just said that he was face with two choices, both of which required some constitutional legerdermain. I wasn’t even defending him per se, I was just trying to show how he wasn’t “rolled” or “bribed” on Obamacare.

I wanted Obamacare overturned, too, by the way.

The purpose of this post was to see which Freepers are as shallow as AOC, and which Freepers will read something that is carefully written and ponder.

I now have my answer.


35 posted on 06/17/2019 10:51:50 AM PDT by tom h
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Ahem. I didn’t say he was correct. I was just explaining what he did. I wanted Obamacare overturned too, by the way, back in 2012.

But I’m also honest, and I wanted to challenge the notion that Roberts is getting “rolled” or “bribed.”

The purpose of this post was to see which Freepers are as shallow as AOC, and which Freepers will read something that is carefully written and ponder.

I now have my answer. I will not join that club that you so clearly have earned membership into.


36 posted on 06/17/2019 10:55:00 AM PDT by tom h
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To: Stravinsky

Yes, of course, your three-word burst completely proves your point! [hand slap to forehead]

Hey clown, go back to twitter and join AOC’s feed, where all the geniuses there think they prove their 140 IQs in less than 50 characters.


37 posted on 06/17/2019 11:06:53 AM PDT by tom h
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To: tom h

Sooooo, how much is Obama paying you for this fairytale?


38 posted on 06/17/2019 11:12:36 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Did you know that the C_A is the largest venture capital source in the world?)
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To: tom h

I don’t care what his rationale was, the bottom line is we got ObamaCare because of his vote.


39 posted on 06/17/2019 11:13:42 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The ACLU asks SCOTUS to delay ruling in Department of Commerce v. New York.
Thanks bitt.

40 posted on 06/17/2019 11:19:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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