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To: livius

What people are making Iran to be now (tiger) is horribly reminiscent of what they and I!! made Iraq to be to justify killing more American men in the middle east.

#### em all.

We have our own oil.

Let them kill each other.

So many NEVER EVER learn here


20 posted on 09/16/2019 2:52:08 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: dp0622

Forget about all that...

Iran is the new “boogey man”

Or it was on the list all along...

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

At a point...

If you support this, you are complicit...


32 posted on 09/16/2019 3:48:01 PM PDT by Eurotwit (FRexit? No. AdiEU. - Loud Mime)
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To: dp0622

“What people are making Iran to be now (tiger) is horribly reminiscent of what they and I!! made Iraq to be to justify killing more American men in the middle east.”

I made the same mistake and regret it now.

Although we are largely energy independent, we still have a strong interest in not letting a single power dominate either the Eurasian landmass (Russia or Germany) or the middle east (today, Iran or Turkey are the only possibilities in that regard.)

In addition, were the Persian gulf closed or much more difficult to ship oil through, we would have another 2008 financial crisis as Japanese, Indian and European banks go down with their nation’s economies. We do not have independence from the international financial system and we do not want a repeat of the Lehman’s crisis. So our independence in energy matters is good. But we are still very vulnerable to the financial crisis that would happen internationally should oil go to $200 a barrel because the Iranian’s closed the gulf.

Finally, the international dominance of the US Dollar depends on Saudi Arabia continuing to require payment in US Dollars for oil. We benefit mightily from the dollar as the international reserve currency. Were that to change because Iran comes to dominate the Saudi peninsula, it would shake our economy far more than the 2008 financial crisis.

All that said, our energy independence gives us some ability to back off from the middle east and play a role more like England did with the continental powers — always support the weaker regional power and weaken the stronger power. Right now, Egypt, Israel, and Saudi Arabia are the weaker regional powers (and the Saudi’s are the lynchpin of the petro dollar) and Iran is the stronger power. For that, we don’t need to shed American blood, absent an extreme situation like, say, an Iranian invasion of Saudi Arabia.

In the meantime, we should be continuing our efforts to lessen our financial system’s vulnerability to European and Japanese banks.


60 posted on 09/23/2019 10:18:03 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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