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Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer ^ | 09/16/19 06:54 PM EDT | ALEXANDER BOLTON

Posted on 09/16/2019 6:24:54 PM PDT by robowombat Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer BY ALEXANDER BOLTON - 09/16/19 06:54 PM EDT

Prospects for a bipartisan deal on gun control legislation have dimmed significantly as President Trump and Democratic leaders appear to be far apart on the key issue of expanding background checks.

Republicans expect Trump to put forward a proposal addressing gun violence later this week, but Democrats predict it is likely to fall far short of what is needed and that they may not vote for it.

Democrats are pressing Trump to agree to a gun control bill already approved by the House, but the president has yet to even signal support for a scaled-down background check bill sponsored by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.).

“I don’t think anyone thinks he’s going to endorse the Toomey bill, which is weaker than the House bill,” said a senior Democratic aide, expressing growing doubt on Capitol Hill that Trump will strike a bipartisan deal.

As a result, the likelihood that Congress will fail to take action on gun violence a month after a new spate of shootings across the country appears to be growing.

Republicans say the political momentum within their party to expand background checks suffered a blow last week when Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke declared, “hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15s, your AK-47s” at Thursday’s primary debate.

It was a big moment for O’Rourke’s campaign, but it underscored long-standing arguments from gun rights proponents that Democratic efforts on gun control are really aimed at the confiscation of firearms.

“This rhetoric undermines and hurts bipartisan efforts to actually make progress on commonsense gun safety efforts, like expanding background checks,” Toomey, who has been at the center of Senate negotiations, warned Friday.

It’s still possible the two parties could agree on some lower-hanging measures.

White House officials last week floated the idea of a new smartphone app that would be connected to the National

Instant Criminal Background Check System, which could be used to conduct background checks for sales between individuals who are not licensed dealers.

But it will be difficult for Democrats to agree to that proposal if it is a high watermark of what can be accepted by Republicans.

Manchin dismissed the idea of the smartphone app.

“The app’s crazy, totally crazy,” he said, arguing that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System works well as it is. “We have something that’s not broken, and they want to fix it and throw something at it. To throw that into a bill would be wrong.”

Similarly, Democrats are signaling that just passing “red flag” legislation that would empower law enforcement officials to confiscate firearms from people judged to be dangerous is not enough.

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) argued on the Senate floor Monday that without an expansion of background check requirements, even a person who had his or her firearm confiscated by the police could immediately purchase another one from an individual who is not a federally licensed dealer.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a key negotiator who has had discussions with Trump on gun control, told reporters that the president needed to give them an affirmative sign by the end of last week in order to keep momentum from dying in Congress.

“My worry is that the forces inside the White House that are representing the gun lobby may be prevailing,” Murphy told reporters Monday. “I think that’s a shame.”

“They told us we would hear back by Thursday and we didn’t hear anything on Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday,” he added. “Silence is probably indicative that they’re not willing to move.”

Manchin also sounded a pessimistic note.

“I haven’t heard back from their staff,” said Manchin, who panned the idea of creating a new smartphone app to conduct background checks.

Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said Monday afternoon that Trump is still reviewing his options, and a senior Republican aide said the White House is expected to present a plan to GOP leaders later this week.

“I think they’re looking at that and a whole range of issues, but I don’t think they’ve come to any conclusions,”

Thune, who met with Trump last week, said when asked about the prospect of the president endorsing expanded background checks.

Still, as more days pass without progress, gun control advocates in the Senate are growing increasingly pessimistic.

“It’s typical of the president and his statements on controversial issues. He’s on the side of the American people until he’s on the side of the special interest,” said Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.).

Conservatives are already warning the White House and GOP leaders of a backlash from gun rights advocates if Trump endorses a proposal to expand background checks to all online and gun show sales, as envisioned by the Manchin-Toomey bill.

“If Republicans abandon the Second Amendment and demoralize millions of Americans who care deeply about Second Amendment rights, that could go a long way to electing a President Elizabeth Warren,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) warned last week, referring to the liberal Massachusetts senator, who is running for president.

A senior Republican aide on Monday expressed skepticism that Trump will endorse legislation that would significantly expand background checks, such as the Manchin-Toomey bill or the universal background check measure passed by the House in February.

In a call on Sunday with Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Trump made no commitment on the House bill, according to two officials familiar with the call.

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1 posted on 09/16/2019 6:24:54 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Buy American made gun products this week. Your freedom will thank you.

2 posted on 09/16/2019 6:26:38 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Get your houses in order.)
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To: robowombat

I believe that’s the president’s intent, as it should be.

3 posted on 09/16/2019 6:29:00 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: robowombat

Get ready for some more shootings.

4 posted on 09/16/2019 6:29:24 PM PDT by sport
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To: robowombat; Donald J Trump

Mr President:

Your supporters oppose gun control. Which of the thousands of gun control laws currently on the books do you propose to REPEAL?

5 posted on 09/16/2019 6:31:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: robowombat

Bipartisanship is when the Evil Party and the Stupid Party get together and do something that is both evil and stupid.

I hope our president steers clear of such foolishness.

6 posted on 09/16/2019 6:38:31 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: sport

aka....a weekend in Chicago....

7 posted on 09/16/2019 6:38:37 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: robowombat

The Democrats have only one objective with “background checks”, it is to build a database of who has the guns, and who is purchasing them. All this is a prerequisite to confiscation at some future time.

Criminals, of course, would be missed this dragnet almost entirely, as they obtain guns by extralegal channels, which do not much include any kind of applications to a state or federal agency, and are always either cash-and-carry or the five-finger discount (flat out STEALING the gun).

I still stand by the alternative, which is to fully educate EVERY American on the duties and responsibilities of handling weapons safely and within the bounds of the law. By widespread exposure to the whole culture of gun possession, it would become relatively obvious those persons who are so deathly afraid of guns they could never be induced to handle them, and those who are of such warped moral fiber that they must never be ALLOWED to come into possession of the array of weapons out there, and not just guns, but or every other kind of device which can inflict harm or death on another.

The remainder, which would be far the largest part of those exposed to information about guns of all kinds, would then be free to engage in further training and education in the care, feeding, grooming, safety requirements, and the skills necessary to select targets judiciously, to frame, aim, and with respectable accuracy, direct fire at the chosen target.

8 posted on 09/16/2019 6:43:18 PM PDT by alloysteel (Nowhere in the Universe is there escape from the consequences of the crime of stupidity.)
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To: robowombat

“red flag laws not enough”

That’s a “red” flag itself.

It’s no use trying to appease international socialists. They’ll increase our cotton picking quotas too.

9 posted on 09/16/2019 6:56:04 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: robowombat

I’d say it feels about like 1859 these days.

10 posted on 09/16/2019 6:57:51 PM PDT by Levy78
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To: sport

The next shootings will be easier because “Do Something” failed this time.

11 posted on 09/16/2019 7:01:26 PM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election))
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To: robowombat

We need to broadcast far and wide that places with gun laws invite criminals. Those cities with the strongest gun laws have the worst crime - check it out. That statement is undeniable. Spread it.

12 posted on 09/16/2019 7:07:12 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: sport

in red states no doubt

13 posted on 09/16/2019 7:08:05 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: robowombat

Bill Whittle on the facts about murders in the USA and other countries.

If we took the dem controlled cities out of America; we would have one of the safest nations on the planet. Don't be fooled into thinking this about guns; it's not. It has always been about control. The control freak politicians know they can't control us as long as we are legally armed as we should be.

America doubles in population every 50-60 years. So does the number of nut cases. Stopping illegal immigration is one the best things we can do to make America safer and more honest in general. Slow the growth rate in America before we are nothing more than one big ugly Detroit or other dem slum city.

14 posted on 09/16/2019 7:12:43 PM PDT by Boomer (Our melting pot has turned into a pressure cooker)
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To: robowombat

No to all of it. It is all unacceptable!

15 posted on 09/16/2019 7:16:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: robowombat

What did I tell all the pearl-clutchers? This is Trump’s modus operandi.

1) “We need to strengthen red flag laws.”
2) Two weeks later. “We are looking at a number of things.”
3) “Of course we’re not going to do anything ridiculous like that.”

He has done this now on several occasions with guns and with certain foreign policy issues.

16 posted on 09/16/2019 7:23:55 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: dsc

“Bipartisanship is when the Evil Party and the Stupid Party get together and do something that is both evil and stupid.”

Post of the day!

Taxman Bravo Zulu!

17 posted on 09/16/2019 7:42:17 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: robowombat

I want Trump to ban ALL guns...

...from movies and TV!

Imagine the squawking from Hollywood!

18 posted on 09/16/2019 7:54:03 PM PDT by null and void (<---powered by warm sunshine and gentle breezes and unicorn farts, don't forget the unicorn farts!)
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To: Brian Griffin

Beto spilled the beans last week. It’s all about confiscation and not one Dem on that platform disagreed.

Sen. Coonskin tut-tutted him for committing a tactical blunder but that was it. They ALL want confiscation because gun control is ALL about disarming & punishing their political opponents.

Yeah, someone here said they’ll just whistle up another mass shooting. There’s a pattern and that’s not conspiracy stuff.

PDJT is our shield against collectivist tyranny. The more they hate him, the more they hate all of us who voted for him.

19 posted on 09/16/2019 7:54:30 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Westbrook

Trump is just dragging along until time goes by and nothing gets passed.

20 posted on 09/16/2019 7:57:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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