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Judge rules prosecutors can't show 'Godfather' clip at Roger Stone's trial
The Hill ^ | 10/21/19 | Zack Budryk

Posted on 10/21/2019 11:01:17 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

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A glimmer of sanity.
1 posted on 10/21/2019 11:01:17 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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First, Coppola’s work should be seen on BluRay, or at lewast DVD … certainly not on video tape. Second, I haven’t seen Godfather Part II, but it is showing on the big screen through Fathom Events nationwide. The jury pool (and those following the trial on television/Internet), should not be exposed to spoilers.


2 posted on 10/21/2019 11:05:25 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Sutor, ne ultra crepidam--Appelles of Kos)
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To: yesthatjallen

Case must be pretty weak if they are relying on these tactics..


3 posted on 10/21/2019 11:07:12 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Prejudicial effect? Schiff for brains got away with it. But that’s a side benefit of running a kangaroo court.


4 posted on 10/21/2019 11:09:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Part II is very good. Part III was redikerus.


5 posted on 10/21/2019 11:12:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: Magnum44

Unbelievable!

Lead prosecutor to team — “Our case is very weak. Anybody got any ideas?”

Assistant Prosecutor — “I know, boss. Let’s show them a movie of how it could have gone down!”


6 posted on 10/21/2019 11:12:52 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Case must be pretty weak if they are relying on these tactics..

I hope so. If it was me, I'd show the jury the cnn footage of my arrest and how thuggish it was. It was obviously an attempt to smear and intimidate Stone. As a juror I would be so put off by that I would not believe anything the fbi says.
7 posted on 10/21/2019 11:16:04 AM PDT by JoSixChip (I'm an American Nationalist)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Just like Schiff reading his own script of the Trump transcript.


8 posted on 10/21/2019 11:17:17 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: Dr. Sivana

GF2 is at least as good and in some ways better than the Original.


9 posted on 10/21/2019 11:23:47 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: yesthatjallen

Why not begin the court proceeding, instead of having the bailiff call all to rise, by showing a WB cartoon?


10 posted on 10/21/2019 11:34:52 AM PDT by DPMD
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One reason for that is that it featured deniro back when he used to be a human being.


11 posted on 10/21/2019 11:36:02 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Part 3 was as horrible as Parts 1 and 2 were outstanding. Of course part 3 was re-written at the last second as Duvall refused to participate because he was terribly low-balled on salary.
Part 3 could have been the best. It focused on Duvall’s character Tom Haden who was murdered in the proposed movie. Three parts, three brothers murdered, each in their own episode.
In the end, there was only Michael living, the one who wanted nothing to do with the family business.


12 posted on 10/21/2019 11:36:21 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd [PBUH---Pigblood be upon him]; Charles Martel for President)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Never mind the spoilers, you’re missing the point.
The movie is FICTION— as are most movies.
Prosecutors want to introduce scenes from a freakin’ movie to the jury-— as if it’s some kind of EVIDENCE against Roger Stone?!?

It’s nothing of the kind. It’s an attempt to smear, to assassinate his— and by extension, Trump’s— character

The judge should have tossed the lawyers in jail and probably could have tossed the whole case. A stunt like that is abuse of process.


13 posted on 10/21/2019 12:04:55 PM PDT by mumblypeg
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Never mind the spoilers, you’re missing the point.

I was being silly. I didn't really mean the clip of a movie shouldn't be shown in court to not spoil the ending for the jurors. I was mocking the idea of showing the movie in court at all. If I have to be explicit, it kind of takes the fun out of it.

I have no love for Roger Stone, but the man is NOT GUILTY of the charges.
14 posted on 10/21/2019 12:09:14 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Sutor, ne ultra crepidam--Appelles of Kos)
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Oh, ok.
That post didnt sound like your usual erudite self, but your silly side wasn’t obvious either.
Please forgive.


15 posted on 10/21/2019 12:14:21 PM PDT by mumblypeg
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Part 3 was as horrible as Parts 1 and 2 were outstanding. Of course part 3 was re-written at the last second as Duvall refused to participate because he was terribly low-balled on salary.
Part 3 could have been the best. It focused on Duvall’s character Tom Haden who was murdered in the proposed movie. Three parts, three brothers murdered, each in their own episode.
In the end, there was only Michael living, the one who wanted nothing to do with the family business.


16 posted on 10/21/2019 12:15:49 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd [PBUH---Pigblood be upon him]; Charles Martel for President)
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To: Magnum44
"Case must be pretty weak if they are relying on these tactics.."

If Stone made the comment, then there may be little choice but to provide context so that the jury knows the meaning of the comment.

Alone, the comment to "do a Frank Pentangeli" would be pretty ambiguous. Does it mean to wait on line until able to speak to the boss? Does it mean to ask the boss for permission to kill the opposition? Does it mean to become a government witness? Does it mean to commit suicide in order to avoid detriment to one's family? Does it mean to drink water out of a hose? Perhaps the government claims that it means to act ignorant of one's own prior testimony and to claim that the testimony was meaningless?

The problem I see for the government is that the comment could mean any of those things and perhaps many others. The government will be relying on the context of the comment to lend it meaning.

If the context itself does not establish the meaning beyond a reasonable doubt, how could the Pentangeli comment cause it to exceed reasonable doubt, since it depends entirely on context. The opposite case also holds. That is, if the context establishes the government claim beyond a reasonable doubt, then of what value would the Pentangeli comment be?

None of this changes the proposition that it is extremely unwise to make references to a gangster movie while talking to a potential witness.

17 posted on 10/21/2019 12:17:19 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Part 2 is the only DeNiro role worth watching, IMHO.


18 posted on 10/21/2019 12:17:40 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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Yes, exactly the same. Jurisprudence and the rule of law is collapsing around us. These people are insane.


19 posted on 10/21/2019 12:19:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DPMD

One reason for that is that it featured deniro back when he used to be a human being.


Nah. He just PLAYED one on the screen.


20 posted on 10/21/2019 12:24:13 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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