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New fence at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC going up on NYPD’s advice over gripes from homeless<TR>
NY Daily News ^ | 15 November 2019 | Molly Crane-Newman, Rocco Parascandola and Larry McShane

Posted on 11/15/2019 5:50:53 AM PST by oh8eleven

Full Title:"New fence at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC going up on NYPD’s advice and over gripes from homeless advocates"

St. Patrick’s Cathedral plans to install a decorative/protective iron fence atop the stone wall at the Madison Ave. end of the cathedral as an anti-terrorism security upgrade recommended by the NYPD outside the residence of Timothy Cardinal Dolan.

But the grassy strip between the current 4-foot, 8-inch high wall and the Neo-Gothic cathedral is sometimes used by the local homeless to bed down for the night, and advocates wondered if there was some way to protect both his eminence and the dispossessed.

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KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; homeless; nyc
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Hmmm, a fence? Isn't the Catholic Church in favor of open borders?
1 posted on 11/15/2019 5:50:53 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: oh8eleven

Wait until Pope Francis hears about this! He hates walls and fences of any type. I’ll bet he orders the entire wall be torn down. And he’ll probably order the locks to be removed from all the cathedral doors as well.

Because Francis is not a hypocrite, right?


2 posted on 11/15/2019 5:58:41 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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Hmmm, a fence? Isn't the Catholic Church in favor of open borders?

To a point. If the homeless prevents people from attending church, that hits their bottom line in donations.

3 posted on 11/15/2019 5:59:14 AM PST by CatOwner
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Hmmm, a fence? Isn't the Catholic Church in favor of open borders?

Ever see the wall our pope lives behind? Growing up, our Church never locked its doors. You could stop in any time. Even the bad kids were afraid to do anything against the Church.

4 posted on 11/15/2019 6:00:05 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Leaning Right

Mr. Bergoglio, Tear Down This Wall!

5 posted on 11/15/2019 6:00:08 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: oh8eleven

Lol. Does the pope know. He may wag his finger. Naughty naughty.


6 posted on 11/15/2019 6:02:06 AM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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"Hmmm, a fence? Isn't the Catholic Church in favor of open borders?"

Yes, the Pope's not going to like this!

And isn't St. Patrick's a bastion of "progressivism/liberalism/the left"?

7 posted on 11/15/2019 6:06:56 AM PST by Savage Beast (HATE is the ultimate EVIL, and EVIL the ultimate STUPIDITY. Pity those consumed by HATE.)
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They’re putting a fence ON TOP of the wall???


8 posted on 11/15/2019 6:14:27 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would be have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dfwgator

That Vatican wall really is something! The least Francis could do is drill maybe six large walkways in it. And I’m being serious here. If the Pope really believes in open borders, he should make it easy for people to move between Italy and the Vatican.

Side note: Vatican citizenship is extremely difficult to obtain. Even people who have worked there for decades can’t get it. I did a little calculation awhile back. Based on its acreage, the Vatican could easily triple its population. Why won’t Francis let more people in?


9 posted on 11/15/2019 6:19:13 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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The other side of the story:

Not much of a wall there … just a wide avenue straight into the Italian city of Rome.

But that doesn't support The Narrative, so we'll ignore it.

10 posted on 11/15/2019 6:23:00 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: oh8eleven

“Fences don’t work” — the people building this particular fence.


11 posted on 11/15/2019 6:23:14 AM PST by samtheman (Never underestimate The Stupid on the left... or the evil in the heart of a bureaucrat.)
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I’m curious, if there is wide avenue is open between Rome and The Vatican, why is there such a line around the wall?

Serious question.


12 posted on 11/15/2019 6:33:36 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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Part of a serious reply:

My picture (St. Peter’s Square) literally (geographically) is the other side of the story … Vatican City covers more than 100 acres. I’m not clear what’s going on in that snapshot of the wall and the long line or how often a long line forms in that area. In St. Peter’s Square, the border is indicated by a colored line on the ground and people can cross it any time they like.


13 posted on 11/15/2019 6:46:13 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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More of a serious answer:

The “wall” picture shows one of the bastions on the west side of VC … poke around with Google Earth in street view mode, and you’ll probably find it. You’ll also find lots of wide open gates, unguarded, with tourists freely walking through them.

My wild-eyed guess is that the line is people waiting to get in to some museum.


14 posted on 11/15/2019 6:55:02 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

Thanks!


15 posted on 11/15/2019 6:57:08 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: oh8eleven

Whatever happened to welcoming the stranger? Or building bridges, not walls?

Besides, walls don’t work.


16 posted on 11/15/2019 8:03:24 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Texas Eagle
Making the inacessible even more inaccessible ...
17 posted on 11/15/2019 8:19:14 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CatOwner

NO...only some dissident clerics support open borders. The official Teaching Magisterium has far more wisdom about such things.


18 posted on 11/15/2019 8:57:45 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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"Not much of a wall there …"

Well, when you post a picture from St. Peter's looking in the direction of one of the few places where there is a gap in the wall surrounding the Vatican, sure, you can make it look like there is not much of a wall.

However, if you look at this map of Vatican City, please note the map key that says "International Boundary (city wall)", and which corresponds to the solid line that encompasses, the entire city except for openings at 3 points, then it does seem like the wall is quite real:


19 posted on 11/15/2019 9:55:14 AM PST by Boogieman
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Get on google street view. There are a lot more than three wide open entrances in the wall.


20 posted on 11/15/2019 9:59:34 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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