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Gun violence in Chicago and Illinois: Hopefully courts can force Legislature to act (barf alert)
Chicago S-T ^ | 18 nov 2019

Posted on 11/18/2019 10:56:49 AM PST by rellimpank

The Chicago plaintiffs in the case that Gottschall is allowing to move forward argue that incessant gun violence in some neighborhoods causes psychological harm to children. That’s the federal civil rights argument the plaintiffs believe should force the state to take action.

Specifically — among other reforms — the plaintiffs are calling for the creation of a “do not sell” list that generally would prevent people who have bought a gun that was used in a crime from buying another. That change in the law could cut down on the number of straw purchasers who buy firearms for others who can’t legally buy a gun on their own.

The plaintiffs also seek a court-enforced requirement that when someone’s Firearm Owners Identification Card has been revoked, the Illinois State Police will make a full-bore effort to collect that person’s guns and FOID card. As things go now, the state police make little attempt.

A proposed bill in Springfield along these lines — a legislative branch effort to achieve similar sensible policing of who can possess a gun — has been stalled.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicago.suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; illinois; rkba
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---there is so much wrong with this , I don't know where to start but the dunces who wrote it must not know about federal law on "straw purchasers"--

"Specifically — among other reforms — the plaintiffs are calling for the creation of a “do not sell” list that generally would prevent people who have bought a gun that was used in a crime from buying another. That change in the law could cut down on the number of straw purchasers who buy firearms for others who can’t legally buy a gun on their own. "--

1 posted on 11/18/2019 10:56:49 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

there are something like half a billion firearms already in Americans’ hands
(depends on which estimate one reads, some are as low as 300 million.. no matter...its impossible to ever steal or confiscate them all, and especially since most American citizens would not even think of cooperating with such a dangerous and un-American scheme)


2 posted on 11/18/2019 10:59:28 AM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not , born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: rellimpank
"...gun violence in some neighborhoods causes psychological harm to children..."

...the ones that don't actually get shot, that is.

3 posted on 11/18/2019 11:00:52 AM PST by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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To: rellimpank

While you’re at it, oh clueless lawmakers, declare Pi to be equal to 3.0. Idiot studies majors will applaud while scientists will do the head palm.


4 posted on 11/18/2019 11:09:57 AM PST by Da Coyote (is)
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To: faithhopecharity
most American citizens would not even think of cooperating with such a dangerous and un-American scheme ..... the Illinois State Police will make a full-bore effort to collect that person’s guns and FOID card.

The Illinois state police have their eye on you


5 posted on 11/18/2019 11:10:30 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rellimpank

Get the guns out of law abiding citizens. That should end the gun violence.


6 posted on 11/18/2019 11:14:20 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: rellimpank

It would seem to me that Chigago has strict gun control laws and a missive crime problem, while other places in IL and around the county do not have these same problems.

Strange idea to libs, send in PD to go after the criminals and arrest them. Then have a DA with a spine prosecute them and lock them up for a long time, repeat as necessary.


7 posted on 11/18/2019 11:14:40 AM PST by matt04
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To: from occupied ga

ha!
funny one. thanks for that!

they don’t scare for a single second, indeed they’re quite attractive all lined up like pretty little toy soldiers, ha!

ha!


8 posted on 11/18/2019 11:14:50 AM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not , born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: from occupied ga

That’s what they said about AOC, Schiff and Hillary.

Song by The Doors

My Eyes Have Seen You (on appropriately, Strange Days, 1967)

My eyes have seen you
My eyes have seen you
Free from disguise
Gazing on a city under
Television skies

My eyes have seen you

Let them photograph your soul
Memorize your alleys
On an endless roll
Endless roll


9 posted on 11/18/2019 11:17:34 AM PST by frank ballenger (End vote fraud & harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: rellimpank

Eliminate the root cause of the violence.

(Hint: It isn’t the guns)


10 posted on 11/18/2019 11:20:51 AM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: rellimpank
...when someone’s Firearm Owners Identification Card has been revoked, the Illinois State Police will make a full-bore effort to collect that person’s guns and FOID card.

Oh, man, that's gonna hit those gang bangers hard. /s

11 posted on 11/18/2019 11:21:02 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: rellimpank

Why don’t they just make it illegal to shoot someone? Make more places gun free zones. Do SOMETHING!

/s


12 posted on 11/18/2019 11:21:41 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: matt04

The libs are insane. They keep doing the same things and expect different results.


13 posted on 11/18/2019 11:25:07 AM PST by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: rellimpank

The Stain of Chicago must spread.
That’s the plan


14 posted on 11/18/2019 11:34:25 AM PST by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: from occupied ga

The Illinois State Police can’t even patrol I-57 and I-94 that run through Chicago. The Highway Patrols are severely under staffed and rarely catch the bad guys shooting up Chicago’s expressways. The section where I-57 meets I-94 near 99th street is an open shooting gallery at night.


15 posted on 11/18/2019 11:37:28 AM PST by EC Washington
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To: bk1000

As an engineer I know that in order to solve any problem you must first correctly identify the cause.

Clearly it isn’t the availability of weapons that causes them to be used illegally. If that were the case, the murder rate in North Mississippi would be around 100%.

Chicago, the leftists and the lawyers aren’t interested in stopping the violence, they’re only interested in stopping the guns.


16 posted on 11/18/2019 11:44:12 AM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: rellimpank

“Illinois State Police will make a full-bore effort...”


The irony of using a phrase like “full-bore” effort must be lost on them


17 posted on 11/18/2019 11:58:09 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: rellimpank

How about JAILING the people who use guns in commission of a crime, using the statutes already on the books? Then there is the option of removing the worst troublemakers to some distance from the neighborhoods where they have been plying their trade, and keeping them dispersed from each other.

The authorities mostly already KNOW who the troublemakers are, it is only the task of rounding them up, checking for outstanding warrants, and either putting them in exile from their home grounds, or indicting and convicting them to the full extent of the law.

The second part of the program should include the introduction of an educational program for kindergarten through high school, to familiarize youth from ALL backgrounds with the basic facts of and about firearms of all types, at age-appropriate level. Identification of the various types of pistols, rifles, shotguns and other sidearms would be at the first level of education, then in progressive succession, the care, feeding, grooming, and the SAFE manner of handling these devices follows. Once the basics are in place, then training for skill in aiming, firing and accurate targeting of objectives comes at the high school level, with some of the youth going into competitive shooting on organized and dedicated firing ranges. This has a three-fold purpose.

First, identify those youngsters who have a pathological fear of guns altogether. These kids should be steered into a program of how to avoid, evade or escape from situations where there may be an active shooter. As a final precaution, should the worst case ensue, also either embed an RFID chip, or tattoo the individual’s name and serial number prominently, so identification later may be quicker.

Secondly, identify at an early age those who have overly aggressive tendencies, and proclivities toward bullying or dominating their peers or authority figures. Get these individuals into counseling and/or psychological treatment, until they either are demonstrated as unfit to EVER handle a firearm of any kind, or they have resumed a more acceptable frame of thinking.

The third group, those who go on to become proficient in the handling of sidearms and have the moral persuasion to do so, should be given the full range of instruction so they are certainly capable of self-defense, or take their talents to apply to law enforcement or military training, proving to be an overall asset to their locality and nation.

Make no small plans.


18 posted on 11/18/2019 12:02:54 PM PST by alloysteel (Nowhere in the Universe is there escape from the consequences of the crime of stupidity.)
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To: Hugh the Scot

“Clearly it isn’t the availability of weapons that causes them to be used illegally. If that were the case, the murder rate in North Mississippi would be around 100%.”

LOL! If that were true, my little corner west of Knoxville, TN would be a smoking, bullet pocked wasteland.


19 posted on 11/18/2019 12:05:51 PM PST by libstripper (a bit,)
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To: Hugh the Scot

And the Maine-NH-VT tristate area, where permitless carry is the rule and our ten year olds shoot AR-15s must be the most dangerous region in the country.


20 posted on 11/18/2019 12:06:58 PM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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