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An interesting read that gives some background on how the FISA spying on Carter Page should have been managed.

Two possible conclusions and both are not very pretty. Take your pick. . . total incompetence or total corruption.

1 posted on 12/27/2019 2:39:50 AM PST by lowbuck
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I would say those two conclusions are not mutually exclusive.


2 posted on 12/27/2019 2:51:45 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The Electoral College is the firewall protecting us from massive blue state vote fraud.)
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There is no question but that this was total corruption.

And it is not as if the FBI had a glorious history before this, but Obama no doubt up the politicization of it to a crazy-high level.


3 posted on 12/27/2019 2:54:48 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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If it was mere incompetence I would expect at least one of the seventeen “mistakes” to have tilted in Trump’s direction. Nope, this was pure corruption which they expected President Hillary to bury deep after the election.


4 posted on 12/27/2019 3:04:07 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Cutest internet video: Charlie bit my finger. Creepiest internet video: Joe Biden bit my finger.)
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Isn’t it interesting that the individual acts in this entire scandal,Page,Papadopoulos,Flynn,Stone,President Trump,Ukraine are covered as different entities?
This is one big freaking,massive monumental act of TREASON by it seems dozens of Government actors! Folks we are seeing the largest scandal in our History and it’s reported as one issue here,one issue there and the Purposeful distraction ANOTHER SCAM TO COVER THE REAL CULPRITS,the impeachment of our President!
The media is doing their job well covering for the corrupt Democrat party that should be disbanded


5 posted on 12/27/2019 3:05:26 AM PST by ballplayer (By)
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The Horowitz report notes 17 acts of misfeasance leading to the issuance of the FISA warrants. Horowitz declines to take the only rational inference, that these omissions were the product of bias rather than chance. I googled the odds of quarter dollar coming up heads 17 consecutive tosses and the odds exceed one in 320,000.

A footnote in the appendix to that report reveals a total of 51 omissions and/or acts of misfeasance, I did not bother to Google those odds.

As an additional thought, we see reports that the surveillance authorized and actually procured through this FISA warrant naming Carter Page, was far more widespread because in practice the warrant authorized spying on those with whom Page communicated and those who communicated in their turn with them until, as some accounts assert, as many as 23,000 people were spied upon under the Page FISA warrants.

One would think that this appalling statistic would be more widely emphasized if it is true. One would think the author of this article would have made that point to further vent his outrage. Does anyone have information on this subject which definitively sets the actual parameters of these searches?


6 posted on 12/27/2019 3:06:25 AM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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A good many people are slowly coming to the realization that not only have crimes been committed by people who seriously should have known better but that if those criminals are not prosecuted our country will not survive. Which is why I say Trump is the Last President. What will the libtards do if Barr does begin to arrest people like Holder and Lynch? Is that Barr’s problem? He thinks if he does arrest 0bama that will tear the country apart?


7 posted on 12/27/2019 3:06:27 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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“””””Take your pick. . . total incompetence or total corruption. “”””

I’ll go with.....TOTAL CORRUPTION for $800.00, Alex.


8 posted on 12/27/2019 3:06:47 AM PST by shelterguy
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Exercise of a “wiretap” outside of Constitutionally-limited purposes, is a deliberate corruption of the Constitution and consequently is SEDITION.

Particularly when perpetrated by those having taken an oath to uphold the Constitution.


10 posted on 12/27/2019 3:13:13 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible")
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They’re stupid or evil.

Or, they’re evil and stupid.


11 posted on 12/27/2019 3:17:22 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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Two possible conclusions and both are not very pretty. Take your pick. . . total incompetence or total corruption.

Really it makes no difference. Those involved should go to jail.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse and neither is incompetence a get out of jail free card.

12 posted on 12/27/2019 3:18:52 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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And the FISA court is corrupt, as well. They were warned several times over the past three years about errors and omissions in the Carter Page warrant. The court did nothing to stop the abuses.

The FISA program is broken, and it can’t be fixed by adding more rules. The investigators and the court broke the rules which were already in place. More rules can’t fix that. Repeal FISA.


13 posted on 12/27/2019 3:22:36 AM PST by Rocky
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The FISA system must be totally scrapped and replaced with something that first and foremost protects our civil liberties. It must be remembered that not only was Carter Page illegally spied upon, but also, everyone he came into contact with and their contacts per the two hop rule. That includes Donald Trump himself.


14 posted on 12/27/2019 3:28:48 AM PST by kabar
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I’ve read a good chunk of the report. I would put the thumbscrews to case agent 1. I find it hard to believe he was solely behind all the omissions in the first FISA application. One example is he omitted exculpatory evidence on George Papadopoulos because he thought Georg’s response was scripted.Case agent 1 also left out the memo from the CIA that CP was an asset.


16 posted on 12/27/2019 3:34:55 AM PST by EVO X
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I keep waiting for one, just one main stream media person with a solid reputation to wake up and say to him/her self, “what are we doing?”

“Why are we defending these treasonous democrats?”

“We have children, why are we covering up for these seditious government officials who are violating everything our country stands for?”

And some such media person do some real INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM, and expose all this democrat corruption, from Obama’s ineligibility to Hillary’s trail of arkancides, to Lorrett Lynch’s tarmac rendezvous with Clinton, to ...

Is there not a single one of them who cares about the country their children and inheriting? Not one?


18 posted on 12/27/2019 3:42:05 AM PST by FroggyTheGremlim (Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!)
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On Hannity’s radio show yesterday, Carter Page said that he has yet to meet with Barr or Durham. No idea what that means.


20 posted on 12/27/2019 3:50:54 AM PST by Libloather (CHANGE CLIMATE CHANGE!)
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Some astute observers date 2012 as the beginning of Obama's spying on Trump.
But, of course, to hear Comey tell it, he "knew nothing" about it....cackle.
In Sept 2013, Obama appointed Comey FBI Director.
Comey learned the art of deception at the knees of his boss-----then-pres Obama.

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REALITY CHECK There are dozens of memos that make up an actual diary of moment-by-moment events, during the FBI
investigation of Donald Trump (as candidate and as president), documented by Obama’s FBI Director Comey......

SOURCE: CONSERVATIVE TREEHOUSE | 4/9/2019 | SUNDANCE / FR Posted by bitt

A late day submission to DC Circuit Court in a FOIA case reveals the content of previously unknown James Comey memos. Obama’s entire anti-Trump operation is memorialized in writing:
<><> how Obama’s FBI Director James Comey wrote down the sources and code-names assigned;
<><> how confidential sources engaged with FISA coverage initiated by Obama’s FBI;
<><> naming foreign governments assisting Obama and Hillary with their vile efforts;
<><> and the rollout plans for Obama’s phony investigation.....”by the book.”

During her ill-fated campaign Hillary bragged about “foreign governments” supporting her election.

26 posted on 12/27/2019 4:08:22 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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It will never be permitted to come to light but 0bama’s name is all over this mess with the DNC hot on his tail. This kind of corruption is prevalent in the Democrat party


28 posted on 12/27/2019 4:14:18 AM PST by okie 54
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The big money from various industries all have a stake in the old status quo.

And they see the likes of China getting away with censorship, propaganda, internments, etc. and drool with the prospect of using those techniques to siphon America’s wealth and power into their own hands.

Which is why they hate elections.


29 posted on 12/27/2019 4:15:11 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Intentional criminal corruption is the only possibility.

This was the same group of people twisting and contorting evidence in order to exonerate Hillary Clinton in the email investigation.

They were so biased that they did not even create a sacrificial lamb in the Clinton email case to make it seem like a legitimate investigation. Even after finding classified emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop, they gave Clinton the green light to carry on without any worry of charges. They gave immunity to everyone involved and quickly destroyed the evidence so no follow-up review could be made.

Meanwhile, Trump spent over 2 years under investigation, being wiretapped and threatened with impeachment and imprisonment daily.

Meanwhile, the evidence gathered kept clearing him and his campaign of any wrongdoing.

Because it was the same group of people in both investigations and the bias so clear, it is undeniable that it is criminal beyond anything we have seen in this nation.


30 posted on 12/27/2019 4:16:21 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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The ONLY way they are going to keep the FISC is for a lot of people to go to jail. Also Collyer wants to retire, she really should be terminated. Nunes told her about these problems and she did nothing. I don’t think she should live out her life in luxury on the taxpayer dime. That applies to any judge who signed the warrants as well.


32 posted on 12/27/2019 4:23:38 AM PST by McGavin999 (“Look into it” does not mean dig up dirt, it means find the truth)
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