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She got two forgivable coronavirus loans. Her employees hate her for it.
CNBC ^ | April 22, 2020 | Greg Iacurci

Posted on 04/22/2020 7:06:29 PM PDT by BurgessKoch

Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.

Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.

She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.

She got a different reaction.

“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.

The animosity is an unintended consequence of the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package enacted last month.

The law, the CARES Act, offered $349 billion in loans for small businesses struggling as a result of Covid-19. Banks, backstopped by the federal government, can fully forgive the loans under certain conditions.

Among them, the bulk of funds must go toward payroll, salaries must remain intact and employee head count must not decrease. Businesses have until June 30 to rehire laid-off or furloughed workers.

Black-Lewis was trying to meet these rules, especially after her bank reiterated she must continue to pay workers for loan forgiveness.

The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.

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Our three family businesses with 100 employees in total each received the loans since we are completely shut down by DC and VA government mandates. My sons (who run the businesses day to day) and I were relieved to get the funds - not the least of which is because we each pledged our homes and if the businesses go bankrupt we are on the hook ... at any rate, we face the same quandary as Ms. Black-Lewis in this article. Doubtless, many others face it as well. We have until tomorrow afternoon to take a decision for Friday payroll. We would appreciate any sage advice and comments from fellow Freepers ... but pass this story along as input into the ongoing challenge of the economic downturn.
1 posted on 04/22/2020 7:06:29 PM PDT by BurgessKoch
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To: BurgessKoch

“they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits’

I’ll put on my shocked face.


2 posted on 04/22/2020 7:09:00 PM PDT by dynachrome (The panic will end, the tyranny will not)
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To: BurgessKoch
The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.

Sometimes I think this country deserves what is coming to it.

I'm just sorry my kids have to live with it.

3 posted on 04/22/2020 7:09:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: BurgessKoch

Here’s my sage advice,I’d fire any asshole employee that was pissed off about getting paid for not working,


4 posted on 04/22/2020 7:10:29 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: dynachrome

Not working should not be so profitable and so enticing.


5 posted on 04/22/2020 7:10:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

Exactly.


6 posted on 04/22/2020 7:11:27 PM PDT by dynachrome (The panic will end, the tyranny will not)
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To: BurgessKoch

What do you expect from liberals in liberal states.


7 posted on 04/22/2020 7:12:10 PM PDT by falcon99 (qu)
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To: metmom

That’s okay.

The younger generation still has guns.


8 posted on 04/22/2020 7:12:15 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: mdittmar

Haha. We had that EXACT conversation today trying to sort out what to do.

60 of the 100 are making MORE by staying home playing videos games or what have you, some way more than they were making while working.

Others are definitely keepers for the long haul, assuming there is one.


9 posted on 04/22/2020 7:14:15 PM PDT by BurgessKoch
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To: mdittmar

According to the strings attached, I don’t think you can fire the ingrates. Seriously though, they aren’t unemployed. No need to fire them. Let them quit and they can piss off.


10 posted on 04/22/2020 7:14:20 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: BurgessKoch
I can't help you.

I lost my auto shop in '09 due to Obummer Care.

Hussien O. said it was my new normal.

11 posted on 04/22/2020 7:14:28 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: BurgessKoch

She needs to send out certified letters notifying employees. If they refuse to return they should lose their unemployment benefits. If she can’t get them back she should either return the money or contact SBA to find out what other coarse she should take. I believe it turns into a loan if it’s not used for payroll.


12 posted on 04/22/2020 7:15:01 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Queen Fancy Nancy Of North Poopistan)
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To: Deaf Smith
I lost my auto shop in '09 due to Obummer Care.

Really? So the people where you live no longer repair their cars?

13 posted on 04/22/2020 7:16:54 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: BurgessKoch

Personally I would use this experience as a time to observe employee attitudes and behaviors.

And quite frankly after I make my judgments I would not rehire the marginally performing ones or those with “attitude”. Now’s your chance.
When this is over there will be plenty of people looking for work so you’ll have your pick of replacements


14 posted on 04/22/2020 7:18:46 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Open up America! Enough! COMMUNISM was and IS the problem Boycott China)
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To: BurgessKoch

Does anyone know if temporary employees are included in people who cannot be laid off?


15 posted on 04/22/2020 7:18:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Equine1952

[According to the strings attached, I don’t think you can fire the ingrates. Seriously though, they aren’t unemployed. No need to fire them. Let them quit and they can piss off.]


If they quit, they’re presumably not eligible for unemployment bennies. Hence the anger.


16 posted on 04/22/2020 7:19:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: BurgessKoch

In addition to family members on payroll, Hire other people like independent contractors and put them on payroll to do jobs that you always wanted to do. Upgrade computers, paint walls, start marketing and sales programs, business consultants, financial planners, inventors. Think outside the box. It’s a gift, if you can’t use it for employees use it for something else. Once that is done, hire best back at higher pay.


17 posted on 04/22/2020 7:21:44 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zhang Fei

My heart bleeds for them. Oh, sorry it doesn’t, it’s US taxpayers paying these assholes.


18 posted on 04/22/2020 7:22:04 PM PDT by Equine1952
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To: mdittmar

The benefits are only good through July what the hell are these assholes going to do after that???


19 posted on 04/22/2020 7:23:23 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: BurgessKoch
The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.

Hilarious. Honestly, my advice to most business owners has been to consider very carefully what benefit they will receive from taking out a loan to pay people not to work. Sure, it's supposed to be forgivable, but we don't know what that "forgiveness" process will look like, and there's a chance you'll be stuck paying back the government for the privilege of doling out money to employees you don't need. Honestly, it makes more sense for a lot of businesses to just furlough or lay off the workers they don't need.
20 posted on 04/22/2020 7:23:51 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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