Posted on 05/18/2020 8:32:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Ahmaud Arbery was running and being tailed by the vehicle of the McMichael's. They were not in danger of anything.
“Ahmaud Arbery was running and being tailed by the vehicle of the McMichael’s. They were not in danger of anything. “
Another PU joined the chase and got him boxed in. Seems everyone involve made bad choices. Unfortunately, for the sake of the truth, the initial on-ground confrontation in the video is mostly blocked by the PU.
This case will be decided if the prosecution can show evidence this was just a ‘runner/jogger’ out doing his exercise thing in an unsafe neighborhood.
Not in danger ... UNTIL .... Abery charged at the person with the shotgun. I believe that much of this will come down to the timing of the first shot.
If the first shot was fired AFTER the physical contact, then there is a good chance that self defense will come into play.
If it can be shown that the first shot was made before the physical contact, then I can easily see a charge of manslaughter.
In either case, I am of the opinion that a charge of murder might be very difficult to prove given the LEO background, citizen’s arrest law and the criminal history of the deceased.
I am of the personal opinion that making a citizen’s arrest is very perilous. If not by the person being arrested, then by the court system that follows. IOW, you had better be PROVABLY and LEGALLY correct in the need for an arrest and in your conduct during the arrest.
Arbery ran at a man with a shotgun... then tried to wrestle it away. Why are you making excuses for a common criminal?
RE: This case will be decided if the prosecution can show evidence this was just a ‘runner/jogger’ out doing his exercise thing in an unsafe neighborhood.
I read that he was 12 miles from his home. Does anybody go jogging that far away from home>
As I see it since we don’t have all the facts..still I have a problem with them following him with their cameraman in tow. Further pulling a gun on him.
This was a police matter from the start....period.
RE: Why are you making excuses for a common criminal?
I don’t make any excuses for anyone and I won’t call him a common criminal because the case has not yet been tried.
I suggest you hold off the label until all things become clear.
RE: This was a police matter from the start....period.
They can continue to follow Arbery. But they should have called the police while doing so, not confront him with a gun.
Based on what we know, I don’t think he was lynched but he did lose his life because of the actions of two non-police idiots brandishing guns out in the street for no good or self-defensive reason.
He was roughly 2 miles from home...lived across the 4 lane in the Fancy Bluffs S/D. Fancy Bluffs Rd is what Satilla Rd becomes when it crosses the 4 lane road.
.....”Not in danger ... UNTIL .... Abery charged at the person with the shotgun”.....
They should not have followed to begin with and certainly not pull a gun on the guy. How was the guy suppose to know why they were doing that or even who they were? I’d fight back as well..
The deceased didn’t have a criminal history. Citizen’s arrest requires a person to be an eye witness to a crime, which these guys were not. Self defense has no bearing since the victim, a jogger, was being assaulted. He had the benefit of any stand your ground law, and pointing a gun at someone is assault. The timing of the first shot is immaterial as the victim did not shoot anyone. As for the LEO background, the father had that, but his son did not. They were both bullies and a-holes, and the moral of the story is if you are an a-hole, don’t raise your children to become a-holes.
There had been a lot of robbery activity in this tiny neighborhood (which can lead to bodily danger) and the two "idiots" believed they were on the trail of the culprit.
Who wouldn’t be scared with someone following you with a shot gun? But he should have called police not try and wrestle the shot gun from them.
The father and son should have called the police and not taken things into their own hands. Film him and hand over to police the film.
Not true.
Their stupid actions caused a man to lose his one and only life over an action they had not even witnessed and who posed no threat to them or their property until they initiated a confrontation.
That’s how I see it......because there was no way the jogger could know ‘who’ they were or ‘why’ they had a gun on him.
When I lived a summer in NJ there was a housing devlopement project going up in back of our home. Homes were at various levels of going up and everyone in the neighborhood would go into them when the builders were off for the day....adults and kids.
‘I am of the opinion that a charge of murder might be very difficult to prove’
I think it was absolutely clear that it wasn’t murder; the proximate cause of the unfortunate victim’s death was his decision to charge the gun...I don’t know if when the first shot was fired matters, because of that aggressive act by the deceased...
if anything, I thought they could be charged with no more than reckless endangerment, as they had to know that their armed chase could escalate into a shooting...
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