Skip to comments.Drug Battle - Hydroxychloroquine (video news segment with full transcript)
Posted on 05/19/2020 7:04:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
If youve watched the news lately, you might be under the impression that a medicine President Trump touted as a possible game changer against coronavirus has been debunked and discredited. Two divergent views of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, have emerged: the negative one widely reported in the press and another side youve probably heard less about. Never has a discussion about choices of medicine been so laced with political overtones. Today, how politics, money and medicine intersect with coronavirus.
President Trump: Now, it may not work, in which case, hey, it didnt work.
Sharyl: Studies from China and France sparked early hope that a malaria drug hydroxychloroquine might work against coronavirus.
President Trump: And it may work, in which case its going to save a lot of lives.
Sharyl: But with President Trumps first endorsement there was a major media-driven effort to portray hydroxychloroquine as dangerous quackery. The campaign was assisted by an online report in mid-April. It said for sick coronavirus patients treated by the Veterans Administration, hydroxychloroquine did not help and was linked to increased deaths.
Reporter questions at Coronavirus Task Force Briefings: Why are you promoting this drug?
President Trump: Im not.
Reporter: You come out here every day, right, sir? Talking about the benefits of hydroxychloroquine?
President Trump: I want them to try it.
Reporter: If youre concerned this VA study showed that actually more people died that used the drug than didnt.
Sharyl: Meantime, popular support built around a second medicine: remdesivir. Delivered as an IV fluid in the veins, remdesivir was first developed for Ebola, but never FDA approved. Early tests in coronavirus patients proved no survival benefits but said patients did recover four days faster.
Dr. Anthony Fauci: That the data shows that remdesivir has a clear cut significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery. This is really quite important.
Tucker Carlson: Donald Trump is for it.
Sharyl: Camps largely divided along political lines. Many right-leaning media figures sided with hydroxychloroquine while the left-leaning press backed remdesivir. Each accusing the other of ignoring real science.
Dr. William ONeill: I've never seen science politicized in 40 years of practice.
Sharyl: Cardiologist Dr. William ONeill is a medical director at the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, Michigan where theyre studying both remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine.
Some people in the media are treating hydroxychloroquine as if it's something that's being pitched by charlatans, it's dangerous, and that's been debunked and discredited. What do you make of that?
Dr. ONeill: I think that's very harmful. President Trump touted it early and so then the media set out to disprove and discredit it without any regard for science. I think those of us that are actually involved in the scientific endeavor feel that there is some value to it and it has to be tested.
Sharyl: Dr. ONeill says hes prescribed hydroxychloroquine to help numerous coronavirus patients and saw improvement in all of them. Hes less impressed, so far, by remdesivir.
Dr. ONeill: There's a lot of hype for the drug. I saw the original new England Journal article study and I saw the Lancet study and to me it's just like a big Ho Hum. I just don't see a big benefit to it.
Sharyl: Adding to the drama and confusion, a draft version of a study was accidentally published last month showing remdesivir did not help most coronavirus patients and caused such serious side effects, 18 test subjects were taken off the drug. Gilead, the maker of remdesivir, did not respond to our interview requests but has said it ended the study because it couldnt find enough volunteers to take part.
On May 1, the FDA seemed to give remdesivir the edge, allowing emergency use for severely ill coronavirus patients at the same time, stepping up cautions against hydroxychloroquine and its sister drug saying they should only be taken in the hospital or as part of a formal study due to reports of serious heart rhythm problems.
Dr. ONeill is now leading a study to find out if hydroxychloroquine can serve a critical role as a medicine to prevent coronavirus. But he says the bad press is making it difficult.
Dr. ONeill: Now people are scared to use the drug without any scientifically valid concern. We've talked with our colleagues at the University of Minnesota who are doing a similar study, and at the University of Washington. We've treated 400 patients and haven't seen a single adverse event. And what's happening is because of this fake news and fake science, the true scientific efforts are being harmed because people now are so worried that they don't want to enroll in the trials.
Dr. Steven Hatfill: Why are the press running medicine in the United States? This is not right.
Sharyl: Dr. Steven Hatfill is a biomedical scientist who worked on Ebola and studies pandemic responses and medicine. He says theres an unwarranted campaign against hydroxychloroquine.
Sharyl: You think lives were lost because it wasn't used?
Dr. Hatfill: Yes, lives were lost.
He took hydroxychloroquine years ago for malaria and recently, again, to test to prevent coronavirus.
Sharyl: A preventive would mean, if it were to work, that the fear that this comes back before there's a working vaccine, the fear that we have another shutdown ...
Dr. Hatfill: a return to work ... early detection, return to work. Would I give it as a prophylaxis to everybody? No. But for fit, healthy, critical workers going back to work or high risk populations; chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, ex-smokers, diabetics, obesity ...
Sharyl: Might work for them?
Dr. Hatfill: It might work for them.
Sharyl: A third scientist we spoke to, who says hydroxychloroquine has been unfairly disparaged, is Dr. Jane Orient, head of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
How do you account for the difference in medical and scientific opinion about this drug? Because some people seem so certain that it can be a positive benefit to coronavirus patients, maybe even crucial in the early days, whereas some people are convinced it should absolutely not be used.
Dr. Orient: That's a very good question. But the ones who have the most experience are very enthusiastic about the possibilities. And we do have naysayers that we suspect may have a little conflict of interest because they are so enthusiastic about remdesivir, which is a new drug that hasn't been approved for anything. And that so far is showing a really very equivocal or even negative results.
Sharyl: All three scientists criticized that VA report casting doubt on hydroxychloroquine as little more than a list of cases with crucial details missing. It turns out one author of the report received research funding from Gilead, the maker of remdesivir, including a 247-thousand dollar grant in 2018.
Orient: I think we have to look at the money. There's no big profits made in hydroxychloroquine. It's very cheap, easy to manufacture, been around for 70 years. It's generic. Remdesivir is a new drug that could be very expensive and very lucrative if it's ever approved. So I think we really do have to consider there's some financial interest involved here.
Dr. Hatfill: Some of these decisions did not seem to be rational.
And when things, in my opinion that are so clear, the right path to take aren't taken, very often: Money is somehow involved.
Sharyl: When it comes to money, we checked financial ties among experts on the government panel devising coronavirus treatment guidelines which had the effect of dialing back hydroxychloroquine use and giving an edge to remdesivir.
We found that of 11 members reporting links to a drug company, nine of them named relationships to remdesivirs maker Gilead. Seven more, including two of the committees leaders, have ties to Gilead beyond the 11 months they had to disclose. Two were on Gileads advisory board. Others were paid consultants or received research support and honoraria. Nobody reported ties to hydroxychloroquine which is now made by numerous generic manufacturers and is so cheap, analysts say even a spike in sales would not be a financial driver for the companies.
In the end, politics and money aside, at least some scientists arent ready to count hydroxychloroquine out of the coronavirus equation. Even if others already have.
Sharyl: Is it possible that it's not one or the other that hydroxychloroquine could be used in a certain setting, maybe for preventive if you find out that works, and the other drug could be used in other settings?
Dr. ONeill: No, Absolutely. I think, I think that it's just still very early in this disease process that we're going to learn lot. There's 600 studies that are being done in the United States right now on Covid to see all sorts of different kinds of infections and combinations. We're going to be a lot smarter at the end of the summer. So I think what I would just say to everybody, just hold your powder.
We wanted to hear perspectives from from Dr. Fauci and Gilead, the maker of remdesivir, but they declined our interview requests. We also contacted numerous scientists who have criticized or are skeptical of hydroxycholoroquine, but they also did not want to be interviewed for this report.
This is what real journalism looks like. Very rare.
From the article: “We’ve treated 400 patients and haven’t seen a single adverse event.”
When I was serving in Korea in the seventies, every table in the mess hall had bottles of hydroxycloroquine next to the salt and pepper shakers. We were under orders to take a certain number of pills evey day/week (forget which). We were not in a hospital setting. No one monitored our physical well being. No one died. IOW, these reports of adverse health effects, even deaths, are, to put it mildly, horseapples.
Greatly appreciate having the transcript. Thanks for posting.
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I’m not so sure about the A (had an allergic reaction a few years ago), but enthusiastic about the H and Z. In fact, other antibiotics can be substituted for A. And as a first drug combination at the beginning of a covid-19 infection, I’d just use the H and Z combination.
We were not in a hospital setting. No one monitored our physical well being. No one died. IOW, these reports of adverse health effects, even deaths, are, to put it mildly, horseapples.
We traveled to Australia, Papua and the South Pacific in 1975. Numerous shots in advance required. Nothing for malaria.
Arrived in Australia. People asked if we were taking (then) chloroquine. Said “Everyone here has malaria.”
The pills were in the pharmacies and OTC, pre-national health care. We took them and were fine. Returned to Australia in 2005. We skipped Papua, no one said a word about malaria, but Immodium required a prescription.
Yep, thats a good one. Already in my list of HCQ bookmarks.
Cavuto and other Mediots had a severe Never Trump Moment, when President says that he has been taking hydroxychloroquine for close to 2 weeks and is still alive.
reformedliberal wrote: “The pills were in the pharmacies and OTC, pre-national health care.”
Exactly my point. I’ve read that if aspirin were discovered in today’s world, it would be hailed as a wonder drug and would require a prescription.
The media hype about the dangers of hydro-quinine are nothing but Trump Derangement Syndrome at its worst.
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I got censored by Facebook for posting this very study. They claim it overstates the benefit of hydroxychloroquine and wasn’t commissioned by the NIH but was performed by the CDC.
A drug that has some mild potential, maybe in certain situations, is slandered because a politician of one party was for it. How stupid. Absolutely stupid on both parties. Test the drug with science and go with that. Its not wonderful because magical trump likes it, and its not horrible because eeevil trump likes it.
Even the science is suspect. Did you see the sections on conflicts of interest with many on the drug board?
Eisenhower warned of Big Science + Big Government in his farewell address.
Actually, Hydroxychloroquine has very good potential, and is being used extensively in the treatment of Covid-19, along with the Z-pack (or other multi-spectrum antibiotic) and a Zinc supplement. The antibiotic is used to knock down/prevent secondary infections.
That the media preaches against it is indicative of their hatred for the President who mentioned it a couple of times in the past (and is now using it as a prophylactic), or perhaps they have a desire to keep the lockdown going as long as possible. Or, there’s a financial side to it, like maybe certain key people have a vested interest in other treatments or a vaccine.
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