Posted on 05/28/2020 4:48:19 PM PDT by bort
Based upon the names of the four officers, it appears two were white/Caucasians and two were Asians.
So, this was a multi-racial incident and not a white/black incident.
The video does imply a lack of common sense and empathy on the part of the white officer who pinned Floyd with a knee to his neck.
You know grey just lost his dinner! maybe someone should post a video of that woman in the hat and
glasses screaming after trump was elected?.
Dude, that’s funny.
not if the guy swallowed a bag of drugs as the cops were arresting him..
“Why have the officers been fired then?”
A teacher friend got an email that went to all school employees. It said that if they created a public post or statement that went viral they could be fired. All employers I have known are terrified of negative notoriety. Police agencies are political. Most will throw any employee to the wolves rather than take any negative attention. My first thought was it was too soon to fire the cops. Normally, cops are put on leave while whatever incident is investigated. Then, after an investigation says they warrant being fired are they are let go. This firing was literally a reflex reaction trying to placate a lynch mob.
I predict that if no charges are brought, or charges are brought and a jury finds not guilty, that the police will end up settling a wrongful dismissal case.
“OK, I told you so yesterday. Yes, remember when several commenters were calling me and others “racist” for warning everybody to not jump to conclusions? That the AUTOPSY had not been released? That the CAUSE OF DEATH was unknown? That we are still missing video from the middle, i.e., what happened between the initial arrest and the officers having Floyd on the ground. I nearly fell out of my chair when I heard the DA from Hennepin County state that there is “other evidence that does not support a criminal charge.” OMG. This is exactly why you don’t go out screaming MURDER. And exactly why you always wait in cases, especially any case tied to Benjamin Crump.”
Thank you. There are some on FR that jump to conclusions, respond emotionally and jump the gun. You can beat your chest and condemn all police officers from a partial video. Sometimes appearances are misleading, sometimes not, but it is wise to wait until all facts are known.
I understand MURDER requires intent. And you are incorrect. Intent is not required for every crime. Look up Texas 19.04. It’s very clear that intent (as it applies to the legal definition) is not required) in Texas. Want to split some stupid hair-nice try. Look up the law-“ There is no requirement of premeditation to this crime and no requirement for there to be intent or knowledge on the part of the defendant.”
“Why have the officers been fired then?”
They were fired to cover the asses of the police brass, mayor and to placate the black community.
There is a video of Floyd acting like something was wrong with him when the cops first got him to the side walk. He seemed to collapse against the wall. Then when they pick him up and start to the police he has a grimace on his face. There is another video shot from a distance where they are walking him to the cop car and his legs buckle under him and the cops end up carrying him over to the cop car. I’m not putting blame on anyone yet because I don’t have all the info, just pointing out it looks like something was wrong with before the cop knee.
right. The police investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Nobody saw this coming. Nobody at all.
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Oh shucks, I thought you would apologize for your mean comments you made yesterday regarding my comments where I warned everybody to withhold judgment until all of the facts were in. I guess now you have moved on to conspiracies? Again, I reiterate, we do not know the cause of death, and we have been shown no video that shows why the officers were on top of Mr. Floyd? Until we have those two key pieces of evidence, we should withhold judgment. By the way, nobody is supporting the knee on the neck policing style of the one officer.
is toxicology done yet? Doesn’t that generally take several weeks?
I’m waiting for the autopsy, and other evidence to come out. However, the question I have, having worked in uniform in New York State Corrections, and having had 25 years worth of training (once each year) in restraint, and unarmed defensive tactics, was that type of restraint (putting your knee on a person’s neck to restrain them) part of the required training the police department regularly gives its uniformed employees? I have to say it was never taught to us in all the years I was an Officer/Sergeant.
Not for criminal negligence, of which these guys must be culpable. Their indifference is inexcusable. Numerous bystanders were pointing out that Floyd had become unresponsive. He had stopped breathing. The cops all just sat and waited and didn’t even bother with a cursory check of Floyd’s status.
No, I don’t think it was murder and that they intended to kill him. But they should have taken action when he was obviously unresponsive and apneic, even to laymen.
“Bump. You took a brave stand on this. This is quite an interesting development to see the least!”
Ditto.
Really? You think that “evidence” is going to make a difference?
You can have mine. I don't use it. Come and get it.
I watched him say it on TV. He said that in response to a reporter pressuring on why there have not yet been any charges, and he responded with saying “there is other evidence that does not support a criminal charge” in the tone that he will charge in due time, but does not want to be rushed to be sloppy. He did not come across as he was unlikely to charge the officers as you have interpreted it. You can watch a clip of him saying it here:
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266136952874696709
“It is highly unlikely that the officers INTENDED to kill Floyd in the act of subduing him. Intent plays crucially into any criminal charge.”
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You’re quite right which, assuming they can’t find intent and premeditation, the maximum charge is MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE. That’s good for 25 years.
Fine, suppose Floyd had a cardiac event because he took PCP.
When someone becomes unresponsive, you roll him on his back, check for a pulse, start CPR, get the defibrillator and oxygen out of the squad car.
You do not keep kneeling on a dying man’s neck. Chauvin was a cop long enough to recognize unresponsiveness.
An old principle of law: you take your victim as you find him. Punch a little old man in the belly to rob him and he dies of a heart attack, you have just committed homicide. Kneel on the neck of a man who is telling you he is having difficulty breathing, keep on doing that after he loses consciousness. A jury would reasonably find your actions contributed to his death, especially if you have an affirmative duty to act: i.e. you are an officer with the man in your custody and control.
“Want to split some stupid hair-nice try. Look up the law-“ There is no requirement of premeditation to this crime and no requirement for there to be intent or knowledge on the part of the defendant.”
Simply put, you don’t know what you are talking about. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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