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Trump: New York Mail-in Voting Mess a Bad Omen for November [Compare FL2000 to NY-CD12 in Comment]
The New Ameican ^ | 08/01/2020 | James Murphy

Posted on 08/04/2020 1:25:03 PM PDT by SES1066

On Friday, President Donald Trump pointed to the chaotic primary election in New York's 12th Congressional District as a portent of what the nation might expect should Democrats succeed in their scheme to vastly expand mail-in voting for the general election in November. Though the primary was held on June 23, a clear winner is not known due to a large number of absentee ballots that were disqualified by the state's Board of Elections.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2000; delay; gore; nyc; oldnews

Warning, a long one! Lots of history to remind us of bad things possible!

Compare & Contrast to the Epic Bush_v_Gore Struggle in 2000, OR SubTitle: "You Think That Was BAD?"

Late Monday, 3 August 2020, 43 days after the New York Democrat Primary Election Day of 23 June, a Federal Judge, Analisa Torres, ruled that some disputed election ballots, previously non-tabulated, should be counted. Thus prolonging this election (86% Democrat) in the 4th SMALLEST but RICHEST Congressional District in the entire United States! Since this ruling almost certainly violate NY Election guidelines, it leaves open a chance for an appeal going forward. While it changes nothing in terms of the current political power structure, what does this portend for the General Election of 3 November 2020 and how would this compare to the infamous Florida 2000 Election count-recount debacle?

New York State’s 12th Congressional District (CD) [pop. 712k] is the 4th smallest CD by area at 14.79 square miles, split by the East River with about a 50-50 on Manhattan and Brooklyn. Its per capita income at $75k+ is first of all United States CDs with a demographic 64% White with Asian & Hispanic both at 14% and 5% Black.

What this means is that the early voting started on June 13 for the Primary Election Day of June 23rd AND Mail-In Ballots have to come in by June 30th. That is 10 days where the voter can put on their mask, descend to street level and SAUNTER to a ballot box. Yet it appears that this race depends upon a creaky USPS that had no plans-in-place/ability to date-stamp non-stamped ballots.

The reason for no postage stamps on many ballot envelopes is that Gov. Cuomo (D) mandated as part of COVID isolation that no one should be required to pay for 1st class postage to vote-by-mail! USPS does not date validate non-stamped mail as there is no stamp to cancel. Remember automation? These machines are designed for a specific process and there was no point in wasting ink and time in cancelling "PrePaid" mail! Thus some Postal Stations did validate while other(s) did not or did late.


Now compare to Florida in 2000. Election date was 3 November and started off with disgruntled viewers of the election shows noting that these hosts were calling Florida voting closed, forgetting GOP-heavy Florida Panhandle being in Central Time-zone and still open. At ~7:50pm, AP, NBC & CBS had VP Al Gore winning while there is still 10 minutes of voting in the Panhandle. It was around 10pm that these calls were retracted as Governor George Bush (TX) gained votes and by the 2am hour Bush's lead was around 50k votes and with that Gore phoned him at 2:30am to concede as Florida is the key state with 25 Electoral Votes (EVs). However, within the next hour, Gore reverses his concession as, out of 5.8 million votes, the Bush win is 1.7k votes, mandates a required recount by Florida Law. VP Al Gore had 260 EV votes and Governor Bush had 246 EVs with 270 EVs needed.

This is a link to the detailed timeline that I am summarizing below.

Obviously Florida became media central and Lawyer central as the fight was on. The first machine recount started but Gore's legal team requested a 'hand count' be done in 4 Democrat-heavy counties. Lacking those, Bush led by an unofficial 362 votes from the remaining 64 counties. Due date for all counties was 14 November at 5pm per Florida Election Code. However several of the hand-count counties do not get started until after 11 November, Veterans Day, and are protesting the deadline. On the evening of Tuesday, 14 November, the Florida Secretary of State (SoS), Katherine Harris, announces Bush leads by 300 votes over Gore from all 67 counties. Still unknown were absentee and military votes with deadlines ranging to 17 November. The following day, with the 4 Democrat-leaning counties were still conducting hand recounts, SoS Harris petitions the Florida Supreme Court (FSC) to order a stop to their hand counting. Within hours, the Bush Election Team (BET) joins her request. VP Al Gore and his Election Team (GET) counters with a public request for a hand count of all Florida Counties, ie. ~5.9 million ballots. The FSC denies the motion to stop the hand count (FYI: the FSC is 7-0 Democrat).

By 18 November the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit (Atlanta) had denied the BET request to stop the hand count in the 4 counties but the tabulation of the absentee& military votes had increased Bush's lead to 930. However the FSC had barred SoS Harris from certifying the vote without their approval. 2 weeks after Election Day, Tuesday 21 November, the FSC, after hearings, unanimously rules that the hand counts should continue, with certification by 27/28 November. The next day is when the BET asks the United States Supreme Court (USSC) for a review of the FSC ruling(s) to date. Also of concern was a local court ruling that "dimpled chads" cannot be summarily excluded from the Palm Beach manual recount. Meanwhile Miami-Dade County, one of the 4 hand counters, unanimously votes to stop its own hand count following a failed attempt to move the vote counting further away from public viewing (Brooks Brothers Riot).

Over the next week, Thanksgiving Day Weekend, the USSC agreed to a hearing on the BET suit regarding the FSC rulings, scheduling it for 1 December. On 26 November Palm Beach County missed the 5pm deadline by 90 minutes and still had 1k ballots uncounted. Nonetheless, the Florida SoS Harris certified that Governor G.Bush of Texas had 537 more votes than VP A.Gore and that was signed by the hitherto recused Florida Governor J.Bush and sent to Washington DC per US Constitution Title 3.

So it was done, right?

Nope, it had only been 3 weeks here!

Wednesday, 27 November, starts multiple court cases with the GET filing against the Election Certification in the State Capitol of Tallahassee, another Democrat-heavy city. Other counties had challenges to absentee ballots and ballot 'format' (Butterfly Ballot). In their specifics at the next day hearing, the GET challenged 14,000 disputed ballots from Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties, with Judge Sauls ordering these ballots and voting machines to be trucked cross state to his court (408 miles/7+ hours). The GET is also petitioning the FSC for an immediate hand count of these 14k ballots with the FSC refusing 3 days later. That same day, 1 December, the USSC hears the BET arguments on the FSC rulings on selective manual recounts. On Monday, 4 December, the GET effort loses badly with Judge Sauls denying the recount and refusing to void the certification. Then the USSC vacated the FSC date extensions and remanding back to the FSC for clarification.

Now into the 5th week following the Election, the GET was in several courts with efforts to overturn Judge Sauls in the FSC, challenges to 25k absentee ballots in 2 counties, and winning an 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals case where the BET tried to have the hand count stopped. Then the GET got their big win with a Friday, 8 December, FSC 4-3 ruling for a state-wide manual recounts of undervotes, where no President was voted but other offices were. This manual recount started on Saturday, 9 December BUT then gets stopped by a 5-4 ruling from the USSC.

The US Constitution has a FIRM Date for the voting by the Electors in US Code 3 S7; "The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December ... and that was 18 December 2000. In US Code 3 S5 was the requirement that the Electors be identified; "... made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors ... which made 12 December THE DATE! On Monday, 11 December the U.S. Supreme Court heard the oral arguments in Gore v. Bush. on the Florida recount which still had the certified total of George Bush at 537+ votes over Albert Gore. Thus on Tuesday, 12 December 2000, 35 days after the Election, The USSC, in a split decision of 7-2 but with 4 dissenting opinions (?!?) ruled; "Because it is evident that any recount seeking to meet the Dec. 12 date will be unconstitutional ... we reverse the judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida ordering the recount to proceed ....

All of that was in 5 weeks and having lived through it here in Florida, we were sweating every minute of it! Just take this above instances of a single compact Congressional District and meld it with a state with MINIMAL MAIL VOTING at that time and then expand it to all of the CONTESTED STATES of COVID and think of 08 DECEMBER 2020...

"the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December minus 6 days"!

1 posted on 08/04/2020 1:25:03 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: SES1066

No need for the gory details. Only thing that can stop this is prayer, fasting, and beseeching the Holy Spirit of God from the spiritual realm for His miraculous hand over our elections.

2 posted on 08/04/2020 1:27:18 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: SES1066

Well I voted in person today.

3 posted on 08/04/2020 1:35:15 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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To: SES1066
... Donald Trump pointed to the chaotic primary election in New York's 12th Congressional District as a portent of what the nation might expect should Democrats succeed in their scheme to vastly expand mail-in voting for the general election in November.

So, the Republicans know what to expect. I wonder what they're doing about it? My guess is nothing, because they want their status quo back.

4 posted on 08/04/2020 1:41:04 PM PDT by Spirochete (GOP: Gutless Old Party)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

So mail in ballots that don’t reach polling place by election date: Don’t count

Mails in ballots that were “lost” and appeared in the trunk of some ones car: Don’t count

Ballots that are the result of ballot harvesting: Don’t count

Mail in ballots that are from illegal aliens: Don’t count

What did I miss?

5 posted on 08/04/2020 4:07:45 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (Biden's)
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To: SES1066; All
I’m confused.

President Trump urged Florida residents Tuesday to vote by mail, after months of criticizing mail-in voting as susceptible to fraud. “Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True,” Mr. Trump tweeted.

6 posted on 08/04/2020 4:14:55 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: Spirochete

You may be correct about the Republicans, (RINOS at least), but PDJT is not a Republican” in the true sense. There is no doubt in my mind that he, and his legal advisors, (some of the sharpest legal minds in the country), have already played out all of the plausible, and some far fetched, scenarios to see what counter moves to make. Also, the current, and future law suits, are being played out now to nip these attempts in the bud.

7 posted on 08/05/2020 4:49:02 AM PDT by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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To: SES1066

Trump needs to keep pounding this home until this mail in voting farce is dead. Separate press conferences like the COVID-19 ones if necessary.

8 posted on 08/05/2020 4:54:08 AM PDT by McGruff (Polls are for dancing)
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