Catholic Church said to be struggling to keep homosexuals out

Yahoo News ^ | April 23, 2002

[Gophack]

Actually, WOMEN are more pro-life than MEN. YOUNG WOMEN are by far the most pro-life group in the country. The pro-aborts are louder.

And it doesn't matter IF I'm in the minority (though difference questions yield far different statistics). IF you believe that life begins at conception, you can not support abortion unless you can make an argument for justifable homicide. The pro-aborts don't want to go there. They have successfully changed the debate from "Is an unborn child a life" to "women have the right to choose to do what they want with their body."

We need to change the debate back. You might be surprised at how many people, how many WOMEN, don't know what Roe v. Wade did. My mother ... a highly educated 50-something woman ... thought Roe v. Wade only legalized abortion in the first trimester.

Abortion is murder. Abortion is 100% preventable: we can choose not to have sex and therefore will not have a pregnancy. If we choose to have sex, we need to be prepared to accept whatever consequences there are ... a pregnancy, STDs, etc.

[Antoninus]

I thought you religionists said it was the act, not the person.

If one does not engage in homosexual acts, one is not a homosexual. Healthy individuals do not define their personhood based on what they do with their genitals. A celibate Catholic priest can not be a homosexual because he has voluntarily given up any pretense to a sexual 'identity' in order to properly serve Christ.

[BikerNYC]

If one does not engage in homosexual acts, one is not a homosexual.

If a virgin teenage boy gets sexually aroused by the thought of being intimate with a pretty girl who lives next door, would it be fair to call him a heterosexual?

[Antoninus]

How does one go about doing this? Is asking sufficient, or do they hook candidates to machines and show them pictures of various naked people to see what causes the greater emotional response?

It's really not that difficult. The seminaries need to adopt a "do ask and do tell" policy. Every entrance interview should ask the question point blank: Do you consider yourself a homosexual? Furthermore, it should be made very clear that homosexual behavior of any kind will not be tolerated. Students should be encouraged to report such behavior to their superiors immediately. An offending student should be subject to an investigation and, if the accusation is proved, expelled from the seminary. How difficult is that?

And how many of you think that an attempted 'homosexual' infiltrator will survive seven - ten years in the seminary without calling attention to himself?

[Antoninus]

If a virgin teenage boy gets sexually aroused by the thought of being intimate with a pretty girl who lives next door, would it be fair to call him a heterosexual?

No, that's called temptation. If that same individual became sexually aroused at the thought of being intimate with his sister, would you classify him as 'incestuous' even if he never followed through on this wicked thought?

Personally, I don't define myself based on my occasional impure thoughts. The problem with folks today is that they've been convinced that their impure thoughts are actually their true inner selves begging to come out. That is a lie spread by the Father of Lies. Thus, the spiral of degenerate sexual practices will not end until they have reached the utter depths of depravity. It's happening before our very eyes.

[joathome]

The church considers homosexuality a "grave" disorder. While the act is a sin, the underlying disorder that causes one to act is still an aberration, and homosexuals should not be accepted into the priesthood. The disordered should not be entrusted to lead the flock.

[joathome]

make that "tempts" not "causes"

[BikerNYC]

Every entrance interview should ask the question point blank: Do you consider yourself a homosexual?

But if they have never acted out on any of their thoughts about being intimate with a member of the same sex, then they aren't homosexual, no? I thought you said you have to engage in a homosexual act in order to be homosexual.

No, that's called temptation.

Yes, it is temptation, but the fact that he is having sexual thoughts about girls gives us a clue, in my opinion, as to whether or not he is heterosexual or homosexual. I don't think it is a pointless exercise to ask someone what they fantasize about when discussing that person's sexuality.

[SkyPilot]

Amen.

The Fool will get back to you. He likes to think he gets in the last word.

The problem with that is, God will always have the last word on him.

[Shethink13]

If a virgin teenage boy gets sexually aroused by the thought of being intimate with a pretty girl who lives next door, would it be fair to call him a heterosexual?

All human beings are heterosexual by nature. The term heterosexual in the biological sense refers to the way a species reproduces.

The use of the term "homosexual" cannot be used in the same context.

[BikerNYC]

The term heterosexual in the biological sense refers to the way a species reproduces.

How about in the psychological sense? Does desire play any role in whether or not a person is heterosexual or homosexual?

Do you think that a man who has sex with a woman, yet is thinking about men all the way through it, is heterosexual, since he is engaging in a heterosexual act and that is the way the species reproduces?

[Zorrito]

"It is the sin, not the sinner, that repels God." True enough, but it is the sinner who goes to Hell nonetheless.