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Canada: PM (Chretien) likes to keep church and state well-separated
National Post ^ | May 2, 2002 | Jane Taber

Posted on 05/03/2002 6:51:58 PM PDT by history_matters

Chrétien says not having a priest at Sept. 11 memorial is his 'best decision': 'Rant' to caucus claimed


OTTAWA - Jean Chrétien told Liberal MPs and Senators yesterday that the "best decision" he made after Sept. 11 was not to have a priest speak at the memorial service on Parliament Hill for the victims of the terrorist attacks.

Insiders say the Prime Minister spoke for almost 10 minutes at the weekly national caucus meeting about the dangers of mixing religion and politics and about the Catholic Church.

"It was a rant," one MP said.

Dan McTeague, a Liberal MP from Ontario, was offended by the Prime Minister's remarks, sources said. He was seen by several of his colleagues challenging Mr. Chrétien as they left the meeting. "What's your problem?" Mr. McTeague was heard yelling at Mr. Chrétien. Mr. McTeague would not comment on the incident.

According to insiders, the Prime Minister appeared to be responding to an expression of concern by one MP that anti-Semitism is on the rise around the world, including Canada, as a result of the troubles in the Middle East.

Mr. Chrétien said he doesn't like to mix politics and religion and was not sure that making a statement about the situation in the Middle East would help.

Last September, Mr. Chrétien and the government came under fire from many Canadians for not including a religious element in the ceremony held on Parliament Hill just days after the attacks. Representatives from all faiths, including the Catholic Church, were present, but there were no prayers and the word God was not mentioned.

"I think there is no question he made quite a concerted decision to keep church and state separate, especially after Sept. 11, which some would argue was a clash of culture and religion," a senior Liberal strategist said yesterday.

The strategist said the Prime Minister was not on a "rant," rather he was explaining that Canada is a multicultural society and "we have to respect the right of all parties and sides and not to mix the church and state. I don't think that is the same thing as going on a rant."

One MP said Mr. Chrétien spoke at length about "L'affaire Guibord," the story of a Catholic man who was refused burial in the Catholic cemetery when he died in 1870 because of his political views.

Mr. Chrétien also mentioned his autobiography, Straight From the Heart, in which he wrote about the power of the Catholic Church in rural Quebec when he was growing up.

He wrote that a Catholic bishop had at one time refused to give his Liberal grandfather communion because he was Liberal. The Monsignor preached that "Heaven is blue and Hell is red, rouge."

"At that time people were excommunicated for their liberalism, which advocated the separation of the church and state, among other radical measures," Mr. Chrétien wrote in his 1985 biography.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; canada; catholiclist; jeanchretien
Jean Chretien is actually the Fidel Castro of Canada.
1 posted on 05/03/2002 6:51:58 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: *Catholic_list
The novels of Michael O'Brien come to mind ...
2 posted on 05/03/2002 6:52:35 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: frogandtoad; Domestic Church; BlessedBeGod; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ken5050; Slyfox...
A calmed down, starting over ping...
3 posted on 05/03/2002 6:55:28 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Wonderful! I am happy to see you!

I also have asked St. Peregrine [for the cancer] to intercede for you. I just know he will help! =)

4 posted on 05/03/2002 6:57:25 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: OxfordMovement
Michael D. O'Brien's novels available at Amazon
5 posted on 05/03/2002 7:00:09 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: JMJ333
I treasure your kindness. Thank you for your prayers.
6 posted on 05/03/2002 7:00:45 PM PDT by history_matters
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This is hilarious, considering Chretien considers himself Catholic. He should be expelled from the Church.
7 posted on 05/03/2002 7:03:06 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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Why are fallen-away Catholics so noisy about it? You don't see this sort of thing among the other kinds of fallen-away people so much.

Someone ought to tell them that people change churches all the time. It's not abnormal. It's not terribly noteworthy!

8 posted on 05/03/2002 7:03:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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bump
9 posted on 05/03/2002 7:10:49 PM PDT by history_matters
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I hope this gets heavy play up here. It will tick off a lot of Catholics in Quebec who tend to vote Liberal.

Our PM is a national embarassment.

10 posted on 05/03/2002 7:12:00 PM PDT by Grig
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To: history_matters
Representatives from all faiths, including the Catholic Church, were present, but there were no prayers and the word God was not mentioned.

Communism. Sounds like this must be Russia before the end of the cold war.

Chretien sounds like another "good Catholic".

11 posted on 05/03/2002 7:12:41 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Okiegolddust
Bah. This government is nothing more than a dictatorship. How else could $1 billion taxpayer dollars suddenly get 'lost'? And how else could Chretien spend 101 million taxpayer dollars on two private jets when our military is falling apart due to low funding?
13 posted on 05/03/2002 7:50:55 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: history_matters
My kids actually have Chretien as an ancestral name ... of course I haven't the foggiest idea how common that name is in French Canadian backgrounds ... but it is only back three generations.

I am so delighted to "see you" and am already praying for your recovery!
14 posted on 05/03/2002 8:28:53 PM PDT by AKA Elena
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To: history_matters
You got that one right. It appears he DOES like to mix church and state by dictating against the church. He does understand the concept of the phrase.
15 posted on 05/03/2002 9:04:13 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: history_matters
Bump. ;-)
16 posted on 05/03/2002 9:21:06 PM PDT by patent
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To: history_matters
To a liberal, "separation of church and state" means the "state" gets to dump freely on the "church", and the "church" has to shut-up and take it.

Let him who has ears to hear listen.

I'm happy you decided to stick around and fight the good fight.

God Bless

18 posted on 05/04/2002 5:16:48 AM PDT by Nubbin
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To: history_matters
To me too. Somebody tell that man to finish the series! (unless they already "disappeared" him)
19 posted on 05/04/2002 10:15:44 AM PDT by ventana
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To: history_matters
Happy to see you back, PING!
20 posted on 05/04/2002 11:19:22 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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