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A High-Tech Lynching: ABC News, The FBI, and The Greendale School Myth
Toogood Reports ^ | 14 August 2002 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 08/13/2002 7:17:56 PM PDT by mrustow

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To: exit82
I agree on your comments on the efficacy of continuing on with the FBI.

The scientist you speak of was an Egyptian I believe and was not liked by his colleagues at all, and was supposedly being investigated by the FBI. I regret I don't have his name right now, but there was speculation (this about 6 months ago) that by the Anti-Israeli tone of its letters it was a setup to frame him by these colleagues.

Why now the switch to Hatfill? And who is feeding the media?

Where did this initial story go?
21 posted on 08/13/2002 10:07:34 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: *CCRM; Peacerose; *Anthrax
FYI
22 posted on 08/13/2002 10:21:29 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: exit82
The terrorist was probably not an American.

I too, never forgot the first victim. I can not forget all the "amazing coincidences" in Florida. I too, never thought it was a lone, white American.

Why the railroading of a man who understands fully the danger of bio/chemical weapons ..... it can't be sheer incompetence...can it?

23 posted on 08/13/2002 10:37:08 PM PDT by Selara
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
This is clearly a very well researched article. It's amazing how all of these journalists blindly followed the non-existent "Greendale School" myth without question. No actually, it's not amazing. It's different than that. It's chilling.

To that thought, add the fact that every article quoting Barbara Hatch Rosenberg describes her as a "microbiologist".

She's not.

She is a professor of environmental science at SUNY's performing arts branch. She does no research and, indeed, no longer teaches. Instead, she is a full-time activist for the FAS anti-biowarfare committee.

One phone call or one visit to a website, would put a reporter in touch with the facts of Rosenberg's "credentials". So far, none in the mainstream have found the time, or the dime, to make the call.

24 posted on 08/13/2002 10:40:20 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
No actually, it's not amazing. It's different than that. It's chilling.

It's standard 'pack journalism' that's been going on for years. No one bothers to do any original reporting; it's easier just to rewrite the competition, propagating any mistakes, lies or misinterpretations in the process. It's scary but it's the current journalistic standard.

25 posted on 08/13/2002 10:43:08 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Who was the person who started this, and what were their motivations?

The aforementioned Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. Hatfill is the fourth scientist she has fingered (she changes her story with some frequency).

The others had either AMRIID ties, CIA connections or a Battelle Institute (a purported CIA contractor) link.

Her agenda is quite clear. To force the US into signing the UN's Anti-Biological Warfare treaty, apparently by implicating the military/intelligence community responsible for our defense against biowarfare.

26 posted on 08/13/2002 10:45:27 PM PDT by okie01
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To: DrLiberty
As I understand it. There are a total of 30 scientists that the Feds are looking at. The first time I heard about him was when some leftist female "scientist" mentioned his name in, a Brit tabloid. She really appeared to have a need to get his name out there. The FBI is about to wind up with big time egg on its face over this one, not because they investigated him but that they allowed her to keep using his name in public.
27 posted on 08/13/2002 10:46:46 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: mrustow
Great article.

No one (other than mad dog liberals) who really followed the situation thought Hatfill was guilty, so that's not a surprise. The surprise is how well Hatfill has come across, and how bad the FBI looks.

So now we have three possibilities:
1. Was he a willing and very convincing participant in a diversion?
2. Was the FBI simply looking for a temporary scapegoat, and willing to trample on this guy to get it?
3. Or was the FBI simply stupid, arrogant, and out of control?

Personally, I sure hope its #1.

28 posted on 08/13/2002 10:47:16 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Our journalists are stupid hacks. They barely have the mental capacity to read teleprompters, much less deal with physical evidence or facts.

In other words, it's no wonder the FBI finds them so useful.

29 posted on 08/13/2002 10:51:28 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: mrustow
I remember being suspicious of Rosenberg herself or her friends from the beginning.

Before 9/11, she publicly stated that some scientist might have to launch an attack before people would take the threat seriously and sign the treaty she favored.

The targets were mostly liberals in the Congress and the media who would have to take her concerns seriously before anything could pass. The chair of the Judiciary Committee (who would vote on treaties) was a target.

It sounds like Hatfill is no more likely than Rosenberg or some of her friends.
30 posted on 08/13/2002 10:53:14 PM PDT by Hagrid
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To: mrustow
Good piece. Happily for us GWB is going to make it all better with his new Dept. of Homeland Security. All we need is a bunch more bureaucrats, and unlimited gubmint power. Yeah. That's the ticket. Whew! Thank God the geniuses Bush and Ashcroft are on the job.
31 posted on 08/13/2002 10:56:28 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Steve Eisenberg
****the only thing wrong is the leaks.****

That and the fact that the guy passed his lie detector test right off the bat and there never was one shred of evidence he had anything to do with the anthrax attack.

And oh yeah, there's also the fact that the attacks were obviously state sponsored terrorism.

And ... then there's the whole upshot of this cluster f___. Once again the FBI are proved moronic and incompetent and by reasonable conclusion so are Bush and Ashcroft. This really makes the American people feel a bunch safer with this sort of stupidity being the norm in America.

OBL must giggle himself to sleep every night.
32 posted on 08/13/2002 11:03:20 PM PDT by mercy
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To: FormerLurker
Sounds like Hatfill is being built up to be this era's Lee Harvey Oswald...

Pardon, but Oswald shot a president, and a cop, and was a sniveling, wife beating peice of commie clymer kissing leftist scum. Please don't compare him to a man who may well be completely innocent!

33 posted on 08/13/2002 11:08:51 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: okie01
I wonder whose running the FBI? Obviously someone who thinks this Rosenberg twit is a person of authority. Obviously I've fallen into another dimension. I wanna go home.
34 posted on 08/13/2002 11:11:35 PM PDT by mercy
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To: EternalHope
So now we have three possibilities:

1. Was he a willing and very convincing participant in a diversion?
2. Was the FBI simply looking for a temporary scapegoat, and willing to trample on this guy to get it?
3. Or was the FBI simply stupid, arrogant, and out of control?

I think the most plausible model is that Amerithrax was always conceived of as a vehicle for a PR stall while Bush figured out a response to the blackmail, but the FBI agents assigned to it aren't in the loop. They were probably told by Mueller, "Just between you and me, boys, we think this one's from one of our own people," and then set loose. Given the small size of the operation and the poor quality of the agents put on it, this was a nice safe way to put up a public front of an investigation that would never stray into any dangerous territory. Lots of people have reacted to the investigation with bafflement, but nobody's been smart enough to figure out that it is the way it is for a reason.

While I'm feeling a lot more comfortable that I understand how the Amerithrax part of this charade works, I still don't have a handle on how much Hatfill knows. I think that the goofballs at Amerithrax have been suckered by Nuthatch et al, and they really are under delusions that Hatfill is their man and, in consequence, they really have been Jewell-ing him, in their characteristically half-assed way.

But does Hatfill understand the bigger picture, and is his public indignation genuine? Of that, I'm not sure. It certainly looks like the crisis in the "lone nut" theory has been engineered to coincide nicely with the Iraq buzz, and I doubt that is a coincidence. But does that mean Hatfill is in on it? Not necessarily. I am confident that Bush would intervene if things started straying from his own timetable. Everything is being orchestrated -- it's too important not to be -- but that doesn't mean everything is being micromanaged, or that all the parties are in cahoots. Steering inputs are coming from the top as needed to bring this thing home. And home is probably not too far away now.

35 posted on 08/14/2002 1:34:04 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: mrustow
So the story about Bloodhounds hitting on him, his appartment, etc., is bogus, too?
36 posted on 08/14/2002 2:17:40 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: The Great Satan
"It certainly looks like the crisis in the "lone nut" theory has been engineered to coincide nicely with the Iraq buzz, and I doubt that is a coincidence."

Important point.

I still see more real evidence that sleepers/Middle Easterners in the US did the anthrax. There are just too many reports of pharmacists and doctors before and after 9/11 saying they saw signs of anthrax sores on the arms, hands, and legs of the terrorists and their suspected associates. We know there is a terrorist support group of MEs up there in NJ. Why is the FBI dismissing/ignoring the actual reports of the doctors and pharmacists? I trust their reports more than some FBI dog that barked.

I have never seen a basis for the FBI's starting proposition - that it is a white male American scientist with militia ties.

My theory is we have an FBI team leader who worked too long in the field targeting US white male militia guys, an FBI leader who is just too smart for his own good. While such a bureaucrat may be highly effective he is not necessarily objective. Especially so considering the so-called assistance he received from university-based US scientists with many agendas of their own. In this case it put the investigation on the wrong path from the beginning.....and has kept it there despite the evidence. Now the FBI cannot admit to being so very very wrong, so they have to lynch a white male scientist with strong "right" views.

37 posted on 08/14/2002 2:58:16 AM PDT by NetValue
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To: mrustow
In 1996, the FBI colluded with media organizations in the attempted crucifixion of hero Richard Jewell, the security guard who had saved untold lives by discovering a bomb, and evacuating a busy area at the Atlanta Olympics. The Bureau and the media cast Jewell as the bomber. Against all odds, Jewell saved himself, when he turned the tables on his persecutors.

Hatfill could shut the FBI and the media down cold by just interjecting the name of Richard Jewell and calling the FBI what they have become, Jackbooted NAZI's that leaks like a siv and investigate like the Keystone Cops.

38 posted on 08/14/2002 3:32:07 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: DrLiberty
Dr. Ayaad Assaad
39 posted on 08/14/2002 3:37:23 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mrustow
Hooray for Mr. Stix!
40 posted on 08/14/2002 3:43:08 AM PDT by bvw
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