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More Theories on Tunguska
<em>Science</em> ^ | Sept. 13, 2002 | Constance Holden

Posted on 10/28/2002 4:59:07 PM PST by aruanan

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To: aruanan
As mentioned above, there were numerous sightings over a wide area of the fireball passing overhead before the explosion.

Several of them even thought the object changed directions, leading to the idea it was a crashing spaceship.
21 posted on 10/28/2002 8:42:59 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: aruanan
Explain to me the cause of the "Butterfly" pattern of fallen trees with the trees at the center burned but standing up.
22 posted on 10/28/2002 9:45:14 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: blam
PING(((((((
23 posted on 10/28/2002 9:46:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: chaosagent
Several of them even thought the object changed directions, leading to the idea it was a crashing spaceship.

Fire has been observed to streak through the skies in the vicinity of outgassings (such as off the coast of North America). An apparent change of direction would be more likely observed under these conditions than for a fireball of extraterrestrial origin.
24 posted on 10/29/2002 12:34:05 AM PST by aruanan
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I don't like this idea.

Do you have anything on the recent meteorite impact?

25 posted on 10/29/2002 5:37:49 AM PST by blam
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I think it was a bunch of "rods." which several people on FR are convinced are missiles being fired at airliners.

Actually I gotta go for meteor of some type. I saw an interview with a couple of eyewitnesses who saw the big streak in the sky.

26 posted on 10/29/2002 5:42:44 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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I think it was a bunch of "rods."

Well, if you decide to change your name, "KneelBeforeRod" is still available.

Not that you'd probably want it - the porn angle is pretty hard to avoid with a name like that... :^)

27 posted on 10/29/2002 6:04:41 AM PST by general_re
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Source: University Of Illinois At Urbana-Champaign
Date: 10/29/2002

Scientists Studying Two Big Craters On Earth Find Two Causes

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Two of the three largest impact craters on Earth have nearly the same size and structure, researchers say, but one was caused by a comet while the other was caused by an asteroid. These surprising results could have implications for where scientists might look for evidence of primitive life on Mars.

Susan Kieffer of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Kevin Pope of Geo Eco Arc Research and Doreen Ames of Natural Resources Canada analyzed the structure and stratigraphy of the 65 million-year-old Chicxulub crater in Mexico and the 1.8 billion-year-old Sudbury crater in Canada.

Chicxulub is well preserved, but buried, and can be studied only by geophysical means, remote sensing and at a few distant sites on land where some ejecta is preserved. In contrast, Sudbury has experienced up to 4-6 kilometers of erosion, and is well exposed and highly studied by mining exploration companies because of its rich mineral resources.

By working back and forth with data from the two craters, the researchers were able to re-create the structures and then estimate the amount of melt in each structure. The amount of melt is critical for determining if long-lived hot-water circulation systems that might host life forms could have been formed after the impacts.

In their field studies, the researchers found that both craters were about 200 kilometers in diameter. In addition, they identified five ring-shaped structures with similar character and dimensions. A sixth ring -- the peak ring in the central basin -- was present at Chicxulub, but had been eroded away at Sudbury.

"While the size and structure of the two craters were similar, they differed greatly in the amount of impact melt that was produced," said Kieffer, who presented the team's findings at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America, held Oct. 27-30 in Denver.

"Through field studies, we determined that Chicxulub has about 18,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt, approximately four times the volume of water in Lake Michigan," Pope said. Sudbury has about 31,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt, approximately six times the volume of lakes Huron and Ontario combined, and nearly 70 percent more than the melt at Chicxulub. These differences in volume have significant implications about the amount of heat available to drive hot-water circulation systems.

The researchers then used an analytical cratering model to examine possible causes for the huge difference in melt. According to the simulation results, the difference in melt volume could be readily explained if Chicxulub -- the impact crater that doomed the dinosaurs -- was formed by an asteroid and Sudbury was formed by a comet.

"Our calculation of 18,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt at Chicxulub agreed well with model estimates for an asteroid striking at a 45 degree angle," said Kieffer, the Walgreen Professor of Geology at Illinois. "None of the comet impact examples came close to agreeing."

"In contrast, the Sudbury impact melt volume of 31,000 cubic kilometers fell between model estimates for a comet striking at an angle of 30-45 degrees", Kieffer said. "Similarly, none of the asteroid impact examples came close to agreeing with the Sudbury melt volume."

Another clue to the cratersÕ origins lies in the impact melts themselves. The majority of the excess melt at Sudbury is in the form of a melt-rich breccia Ð called suevite Ð inside the crater. This material tends to form in impacts where the crustal target rock contains a lot of water. Sudbury has much more suevite in the preserved crater than Chicxulub.

"The mystery was that there probably wasn't a lot of water in the original rocks at Sudbury to account for the excess suevite," Kieffer said. "But in a comet impact of this size, somewhere around 1,400-2,000 cubic kilometers of water from the comet gets mixed into the impact melt, and that could play a major role in disrupting the melt and creating the excess suevite."

There is other independent evidence for an asteroid impact at Chicxulub, the team said, including the purported find of an asteroid fragment in an oceanic drill core, the amount of iridium spread around the world at the time of impact, and a telltale chromium 53 isotopic signature.

By studying the origin and structure of large impact craters on Earth, scientists might narrow the search for life on Mars. At Sudbury, for example, "there is evidence of a huge hydrothermal system that was driven by the heat of the impact melt," Ames said. "As a result, there was widespread hot spring activity on the crater floor possibly capable of supporting life."

The researchers are interested in "extrapolating these conclusions about comet and asteroid impacts to Martian conditions and asking where we might go to look for similar hydrothermal systems that could have hosted primitive life forms on Mars," Kieffer said. "Our next step is to model these hot-water circulation systems that were set up by the impact melts with fluid flow controlled by structures (fractures) inside the crater, and then extrapolate the results to Martian conditions."

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County funded this work.

28 posted on 10/29/2002 6:35:34 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Cool post. I've been to Sudbury.
29 posted on 10/29/2002 8:08:26 AM PST by aruanan
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To: blam
Somewhat odd results since the Canadian nickel is supposedly remains of an ancient asteroid impact.
30 posted on 10/29/2002 9:01:25 AM PST by RightWhale
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Note: this topic is from 10/28/2002. Thanks aruanan.



31 posted on 07/15/2012 7:44:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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