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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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If memory serves, this letter may have been posted at FR in the past, but it deserves a repost.
1 posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine
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2 posted on 01/11/2003 10:16:09 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: tpaine
I have known this for a while. If you make narcotics legal, the price will become so low and the manufacturing of these drugs will become such a part of america that "drug countries" and a lot of the filth our nation sees will no longer exist.

What historically seems to be the easiest way to make a product go up in value? Make it illegal. And with the money there and with the presence of organization, crime goes up and the number of solutions goes down.

3 posted on 01/11/2003 10:20:36 AM PST by anobjectivist
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To: tpaine
It is amazing how much this useless war on drugs has eroded the liberties of all Americans.
4 posted on 01/11/2003 10:23:33 AM PST by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
It is amazing how much this useless war on drugs has eroded the liberties of all Americans.

You'd almost think it was designed that way, if we didn't know better
5 posted on 01/11/2003 10:29:03 AM PST by steve50
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Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments.
Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition.
We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.
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The logical core of the article. --- Prohibitional power has never been granted to any level of government, federal/state or local.

Governments are limited to legally 'reasonable' regulatory powers by the basic principles of our constitution.
6 posted on 01/11/2003 10:32:46 AM PST by tpaine
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To: anobjectivist
"What historically seems to be the easiest way to make a product go up in value? Make it illegal. And with the money there and with the presence of organization, crime goes up and the number of solutions goes down." -AO-

The drug warrior socialists among us could care less. -- High crime justifies ever more effort to control society.
This is socialisms goal

7 posted on 01/11/2003 10:43:51 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The drug war, the bi-partisian threat to our liberty. Guns and Ammo had a good series of articles about how the forfeiture laws(a result of our wonderful drug war) were being used to justify the confiscation of firearms from homes.
8 posted on 01/11/2003 10:46:47 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Jeff Gordon
"It is amazing how much this useless war on drugs has eroded the liberties of all Americans." -JG-


What is truly amazing is to see the self-described conservative drug warriors here at FR, --- deny that our liberty is threatened.
9 posted on 01/11/2003 10:51:25 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Sparta
Local law enforcement had a fit when Oregon voters made it necessary for persons to be convicted before their property was subject to forfeiture.
10 posted on 01/11/2003 10:56:22 AM PST by gundog
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To: tpaine
Learn something every day. On the one hand, we have an amendment which specifically guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, and that amendment is under assault by the gun grabbers. I understand.

According to the author, this is equivalent to Drug Warriors (notice the caps) assaulting..... what amendment is that again? You know, the one that says something about the right to keep and ingest drugs? Hmmmmm, can't find it anywhere.

So, how can the author "connect" the two? He can't.

Also, note how the author thinks he's the next Federalist with the Amicus Populi signature. What a swell-headed buffoon.

11 posted on 01/11/2003 10:57:26 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: steve50
Jeff Gordon:
It is amazing how much this useless war on drugs has eroded the liberties of all Americans.

You'd almost think it was designed that way, if we didn't know better
5 -steve50-

The rise of American socialism is exactly matched by prohibitionism.
12 posted on 01/11/2003 10:58:31 AM PST by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
Learn something every day.

So you claim, yet your posts belie you.

On the one hand, we have an amendment which specifically guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, and that amendment is under assault by the gun grabbers. I understand.

Big of you. Thanks.

According to the author, this is equivalent to Drug Warriors (notice the caps) assaulting..... what amendment is that again? You know, the one that says something about the right to keep and ingest drugs? Hmmmmm, can't find it anywhere.

Try the 9th, where it says rights need not be enumerated. - Or the 14th, where it says we have a right to life, liberty and property.

So, how can the author "connect" the two? He can't.

He did just that in a lengthy letter filled with logical points. - You offer a simple denial. Emphasis 'simple'.

Also, note how the author thinks he's the next Federalist with the Amicus Populi signature. What a swell-headed buffoon.

And you offer a buffoons retort. - Thanks.

13 posted on 01/11/2003 11:19:03 AM PST by tpaine
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To: anobjectivist
If you make narcotics legal

And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind. Legalization is not the way.

14 posted on 01/11/2003 11:22:39 AM PST by Puppage
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To: bang_list
Bang
15 posted on 01/11/2003 11:29:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: tpaine
The 9th and 14th say nothing about drugs being legal. The 2nd says everything about guns being legal. I repeat, no connection.

His letter was filled with points. None of them had anything to do with a connection to the 2nd amendment. The author probably wrote a similar letter to newspapers and churches substituting "1st amendment" for "2nd amendment" and claiming that "they're coming after you next".

"We're not fighting for drugs, we're defending the Bill of Rights!". Yeah, right.

16 posted on 01/11/2003 11:42:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Puppage
No, legalization isn't, IMHO, the way. Giving each drug addict a card from the Board of Health allowing him to get his fix from the Board of Health for on premises consumption at cost is. The incentive to push drugs would immedialtely disappear and we'd be on the way, over time, to almost entirely eliminating drug addiction in America. To those who say this makes it easier for someone to remain an addict instead of shaking the habit all I can say is that's too bad. I'm only concerned about those who haven't thrown their lives away and in preventing the victimization of others by drug addicts who have chosen to destroy themselves. Nobody can save someone from himself - the sooner that's understood the better.
17 posted on 01/11/2003 11:48:09 AM PST by caltrop
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To: caltrop
allowing him to get his fix from the Board of Health for on premises consumption at cost is

So, this BOH will have crack & meth, and not just heroin? Or, do we just give them the most popular drug at the time? Crack is the most prevalent drug on the street now....so if this BOH doesn't "stock" that drug, THOSE dealers are still spreading their filth, aren't they? So, let's just legalize EVERYTHING, that way NOTHING will ever harm society again.

A Libertarian society is not acceptable IMHO. Why should we reward addiction??

18 posted on 01/11/2003 12:01:37 PM PST by Puppage
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To: Puppage
I have known this for a while. If you make narcotics legal, the price will become so low and the manufacturing of these drugs will become such a part of america that "drug countries" and a lot of the filth our nation sees will no longer exist.
What historically seems to be the easiest way to make a product go up in value? Make it illegal. And with the money there and with the presence of organization, crime goes up and the number of solutions goes down. #3 -AO-

And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind.

Read much? AO addresses that point, "a lot of the filth our nation sees will no longer exist." Refute his point, instead of making silly comparisons beween robbery & drug 'crime'.

Legalization is not the way.

'Drugs' were 'legal' for most of US history. - They have been prohibited by unconstituional methods, which point you refuse to acknowledge. Are you a socialist, or a conservative?
-- You cannot be a 'conservative' prohibitionist.

19 posted on 01/11/2003 12:02:57 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
'Drugs' were 'legal' for most of US history

So? Lots of "things" were legal at one point in our countries history...doesn't mean because they ONCE WERE, that we were better off then.

They have been prohibited by unconstituional methods, which point you refuse to acknowledge

Just WHERE in my previous post do I acknowlege, or NOT acknowledge this "point", oh legal scholar???

20 posted on 01/11/2003 12:08:47 PM PST by Puppage
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