Minutemen of the Third Reich: History of the Nazi Werwolf Guerrilla Movement

History Today ^ | October 2000 | Perry Biddiscombe

[isom35]

"Nazi Werewolf guerrilla" would be an excellent movie title.

[Destro]

I stand by my statement. By the way--based on the original French definition of the political spectrum the American Founding Fathers were Left Wingers.

[Ohioan]

I stand by my statement. By the way--based on the original French definition of the political spectrum the American Founding Fathers were Left Wingers.

Hardly! While they were not Rightists, in the context of their times, they were almost all substantial property owners, whether from business interests or as landed proprietors. Probably the best way to describe them would be as Libertarians, or "Classic Liberals," with a very considerable divergence, among them, as to just how "Liberal," they were. I believe that most of them considered themselves "Whigs," in terms of British politics of the time.

However, their Revolution was really a counter-revolution, against increased outside meddling in their affairs--following the French & Indian Wars. It was very much a revolt to vindicate property rights, and the right to do business with minimal intrusion by Government. In this is was a natural heir to Magna Carta, so the roots were very Conservative.

The Nazi and Communist Revolutions, on the other hand, while there may have been educated men of property involved, pulling strings, were basically uprisings of the mob in the street--heirs to the French Revolution, also manipulated, of course. The principles of the American Revolution, vindicating the right to be let alone, were the furthest thing from the mob manipulation that the Communists & Nazis employed.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Destro]

On the French spectrum--and they invented it--are Founding Fathers are more on the left side of the Spectrum.

[Destro]

On the French spectrum--and they invented it--Our Founding Fathers are more on the left side of the Spectrum.

[rmlew]

The Avengers where but one group.
Jewish Partisans who just kept killing Germans was more common.

[Destro]

That happened in Poland a lot and in Russia against the German POWs.

"I do not condone what OJ did...but I understand"

[MEG33]

#48/#49 I found helpful..also the cong.Billy Bob column.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Yes, I am aware of the article. It has some interesting information. I am not surprised that there was some postwar residtance that resulted in American deaths. I see no evidence, however, that the efforts of the Wolverines were as signficant as the current resistance.

Again, the fundamental question remains unanswered: how many Americans died in combat in post-war German guerrilla action? If that question can't be answered, or even an estimate approximated, then the attempt to make a comparison falls flat.

BTW, I am skeptical on another count. Most Germans, even former Nazis, in the American zone had little reason to resist because they were happy to be under American not Soviet occupation.

[Ohioan]

Simply repeating yourself, only makes for a circular argument. Rather than repeat my self, I stand by my reply #63. But I will add this:

I think you are missing the essential point, which has to do with how the rights of the individual rightist are to be protected from the mass of humanity. Those who sat on the Right in the French Assembly wanted to be safe from the mob. So too did the Founding Fathers--although they might not have been so snobbish about it--but that is almost precisely what Madison's comments on Democracy were about.

The Great movements of the Left, Communism, National Socialism, and various other varieties of Socialism, all embrace the mob--the power of numbers.

Again, see Political Spectrum, to illustrate my argument.

[Luis Gonzalez]

BUMP!

[MEG33]

I see you didn't read Billy Bob's column..look it up.

[Austin Willard Wright]

The column only gives a few numbers of Americans killed in specific raids. It does not even attempt an estimate of the total number of American killed.

[MEG33]

We're done..If you want the numbers find them..I won't ask you to even consider my posts.

[Austin Willard Wright]

All I asked (and in good faith) was for you to back up your case with hard numbers. The article posted by Billy Bob does not do that.

[Ohioan]

I am not surprised that there was some postwar resistance that resulted in American deaths. I see no evidence, however, that the efforts of the Wolverines were as signficant as the current resistance.

On the other side of the coin, the idea & importance of an American presence in Germany, for an extended period, at a time when Russia was already in the process of grabbing Eastern Europe, was far more justifiable than the notion of a long term presence in Iraq. And the notion that the resistance in Iraq will soon evaporate, because the Germans, who after all shared a common Western heritage, soon quieted down, does not scan as a reasoned argument. One need only glance a few hundred miles to the West, in the Israeli occupied territories, to see that such resistance actually feeds on its own losses.

We need an early exit strategy from Iraq, and I fail to understand why some would resist the idea so strenuously. There are obviously substantial numbers of Iraqis who are grateful to be rid of a butchering tyrant. Every day that we remain, unnecessarily, will only tend to waste what good will we have gained among such people, for no likely benefit to any American interest.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[VOA]

bump

[Austin Willard Wright]

You are right. Another difference (related to your point) is that Germans in the American zone (even die hard Nazis) were not inclined to resist because they were happy not be stuck in the Soviet zone.

I called the Center for Military History in Washington, D.C. and they dismissed the claims of significant postwar reistance in Germany as overblown. I also asked a good friend who is a specialist in twentieth century German history and he said the same thing. I am perfectly willing to have an open mind but would like to see evidence that it was comparable. None has been presented.

[Dr.Deth]

a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right.

See, they lost me right there. What's so difficult to remember about National Socialism being a proud member of the radical left?

[Destro]

Your political spectrum is a revision. Not the original. Like I said, based on teh model invented by the French from which your source took the terms and changed it. It is a useless link for an inaccurate classification. I repeated myself because what I said was clear and accurate thus needing no more explination.