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Posted on 06/10/2011 1:52:35 PM PDT by Colofornian
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today issued the following official statement on immigration:
Around the world, debate on the immigration question has become intense. That is especially so in the United States. Most Americans agree that the federal government of the United States should secure its borders and sharply reduce or eliminate the flow of undocumented immigrants. Unchecked and unregulated, such a flow may destabilize society and ultimately become unsustainable.
As a matter of policy, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discourages its members from entering any country without legal documentation, and from deliberately overstaying legal travel visas.
What to do with the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants now residing in various states within the United States is the biggest challenge in the immigration debate. The bedrock moral issue for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is how we treat each other as children of God.
The history of mass expulsion or mistreatment of individuals or families is cause for concern especially where race, culture, or religion are involved. This should give pause to any policy that contemplates targeting any one group, particularly if that group comes mostly from one heritage.
As those on all sides of the immigration debate in the United States have noted, this issue is one that must ultimately be resolved by the federal government.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned that any state legislation that only contains enforcement provisions is likely to fall short of the high moral standard of treating each other as children of God.
The Church supports an approach where undocumented immigrants are allowed to square themselves with the law and continue to work without this necessarily leading to citizenship.
In furtherance of needed immigration reform in the United States, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supports a balanced and civil approach to a challenging problem, fully consistent with its tradition of compassion, its reverence for family, and its commitment to law.
Responsibility of Church Members: Avoiding Being Judgmental
You know the United States is a country of immigrants. I thought we were long past debates about immigration. Isn't it a concern about lack of enforcement of existing laws about illegal immigration. Why does the Mormon church reduce it so?
This should give pause to any policy that contemplates targeting any one group...
Ya know, if you have a leaky faucet, you target that. If you have a faucet flooding your home, and your fence is fine, ya don't listen to your misguided neighbor telling you to focus on both your faucet and your fence.
YAWNNNNN
this org needs to have its tax-exempt status pulled.
TO LOVE IS TO DISCIPLINE
Translation: Amnesty and screw the Rule of Law.
A balanced and civil approach..... What is that exactly?
Isn’t that like “Hope is not a plan and change is not a destination. - Rudy G”
Like the Catholics, the LDS church is pro-amnesty and de-facto, pro-illegal immigration. This may be because, like the Catholics, the LDS church sees latin american immigrants as its target market for growth. $$$$
Ping
Are you the Joseph Goebbels (e.g. Minister of Propaganda) of the Mormon Church?
Welcome back.
It could mean registration and restitution, eh? Illegals break the law, so if they ‘pay their debt to society’ why not have them registered and green carded then, and only then? If some want to become citizens, they go to the back of the line of law abiding registrants seeking citizenship. Hell, we have a pResident who may not even be an American citizen, how can we expect these poor immigrees to figure all this out?
If you've read my posts, you'd see I'm one of Lds, Inc.'s biggest critics.
What threads like these show all those FREEPERS who keep saying how "aligned" we are with Mormons re: "common values" is that the Mormon church can be liberal when it wants to...and it's been awfully convenient for that to happen more and more the last few years.
Examples:
* Homosexual rights: Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws
* Abortion: The official Mormon church position (see
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm) is that it's "OK" for an abortion if...
(a) Incest needs to be covered up;
(b) The baby is disabled and needs to be destroyed accordingly
(c) Mom's "health" (whatever that means...distinct from saying "life" of the mother)
(d) If the abortionist says it's "OK"
(e) If the Mormon god says it's "OK" in prayer...
E alone above could "justify" abortion to individual Mormons as long it overrides the person's conscience!
* And if you need further evidence of just how liberal the Mormon church leadership can be when it wants to be, then look at how Harry Reid was welcomed with such warm open arms by an all BYU student & faculty occasion for Reid to speak there: Reid gets warm reception at BYU
The Mormon leadership has shown it can be morally wishy-washy in a liberal way whenever it's "convenient."
It was "convenient" for the Mormon church leadership to pass homosexual rights for Salt Lake City 'cause they were coming off of what the MSM regarded "negative" media play re: Prop 8 in CA.
It was "convenient" for their missionary program to support aspects of immigrants being here illegally.
And, at times, it's been "convenient" for daughters of Mormon leaders and others to get abortions.
Certainly, it's been "convenient" for them to have a Harry Reid in Congress "watch out" for Mormon church interests.
Historically, it was "convenient" for the Mormon god to change his mind about skin color...even if he didn't change Mormon racist "sacred book" passages depicting open racism.
And it was "convenient" for the Mormon church to slowly rid itself of open polygamy because their church was threatened, their menfolk were in jail, and they wanted statehood. Even then, it was "convenient" for their original leader, Joseph Smith, to engage in sex with many women even though his own penned Book of Mormon called polygamy an "abomination."
Their debt to society is deportation. You don't reward lawbreakers with the objective of their crime. In most cases, it is multiple crimes--entering the US illegally, working illegally, ID theft, tax evasion, driving without a license, etc.
Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law. What kind of message does it send to them if we allow lawbreakers to get to the head of the line?
If some want to become citizens, they go to the back of the line of law abiding registrants seeking citizenship. Hell, we have a pResident who may not even be an American citizen, how can we expect these poor immigrees to figure all this out?
The back of the line is in their home countries, not here. The "poor immigrees" have it all figured out. They have entered this country illegally, made up false documents, and thumb their noses at our laws and the citizens of this country. Their children born in this country automatically become citizens. There are 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year to illegal aliens. These children are entitled to Medicaid, food stamps, etc and they will vote when they turn 18. And illegal alien chldren are entitled to free k-12 education and free medical care at our ERs.
This isn't about Obama. Hell, Bush 43 was just as bad, if not worse on this issue. We are being colonized by the Third World.
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million.
Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977 percent (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.
This statement appears to be at odds with their previous activities...
That’s why the mormon church recently lobbied the state legislature to pass a version of amnesty for illegals in Utah? Because they’re so “conservative”?
Let’s see how the mormons vote now that their church leadership has helped to sell out the state and the members of the church.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2696539/posts
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/utah-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants-28003.html
Done with the direct help, lobbying, involvement and “encouragement” of the mormon church “leadership”.
They’ve made their position known quite clearly; “One thing is clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has abandoned its claims to neutrality on these bills.”
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51439173-76/bills-burton-church-immigration.html.csp?page=1
They’ve just accelerated their demise, all in the name of “religion”.
The mormon church hierarchy has sold out the people of Utah.
That got a chuckle outta me, Colofornian.
BTTT for Joseph Goebbels Colofornian.
Um, did you read that before you posted?
....The church takes a sort-of "don't ask, don't tell" approach to the immigration status of its own members. Some estimate that 50 percent to 75 percent of members in Utah's 100-plus Spanish-speaking congregations are undocumented. That includes many bishops, branch presidents, even stake presidents. The church sends missionaries among undocumented immigrants across the country, baptizing many of them without asking about their status. It also allows them to go to the temple and on missions.Related threads:
-- from the thread Mormons on opposite sides in immigration fight [members search teachings while leaders stay silent]
The bedrock moral issue for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is how we treat each other as children of God.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Solidly on both sides of the issue.
Nah...
It does quite well with the one it has.
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