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Catholic Theologian Preaches Revolution to End Church's 'Authoritarian' Rule [Kung]
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 10/5/12 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 10/06/2012 4:51:11 PM PDT by marshmallow

Hans Küng urges confrontation from the grassroots to unseat pope and force radical reform at Vatican

One of the world's most prominent Catholic theologians has called for a revolution from below to unseat the pope and force radical reform at the Vatican.

Hans Küng is appealing to priests and churchgoers to confront the Catholic hierarchy, which he says is corrupt, lacking credibility and apathetic to the real concerns of the church's members.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Küng, who had close contact with the pope when the two worked together as young theologians, described the church as an "authoritarian system" with parallels to Germany's Nazi dictatorship.

"The unconditional obedience demanded of bishops who swear their allegiance to the pope when they make their holy oath is almost as extreme as that of the German generals who were forced to swear an oath of allegiance to Hitler," he said.

The Vatican made a point of crushing any form of clerical dissent, he added. "The rules for choosing bishops are so rigid that as soon as candidates emerge who, say, stand up for the pill, or for the ordination of women, they are struck off the list." The result was a church of "yes men", almost all of whom unquestioningly toed the line.

"The only way for reform is from the bottom up," said Küng, 84, who is a priest. "The priests and others in positions of responsibility need to stop being so subservient, to organise themselves and say that there are certain things that they simply will not put up with anymore."

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In an exclusive interview with the Guardian.....

Translation: It's a while since we've heard from Kung so we decided to stir the pot by asking him the usual provocative questions.

1 posted on 10/06/2012 4:51:14 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Yeah yeah. Kung's shelf life expired about thirty years ago. He's the Norman Thomas of the Church.
2 posted on 10/06/2012 4:57:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marshmallow
The Guardian wants a revolt against the Catholic Church as does Kung.My response is...if I'm not there feel free to start without me.
3 posted on 10/06/2012 4:58:43 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: marshmallow
Found your own church, you perverted psychopath.
4 posted on 10/06/2012 5:02:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: marshmallow
If Kung is such a reprobate why is he still in place?

It's all very well to point out the error of his ways but it appears no one can summon the courage to give him the old heave ho.

5 posted on 10/06/2012 5:03:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: marshmallow
But Küng, who has won the support of leading figures including Henry Kissinger, Kofi Annan, Jacques Rogge, Desmond Tutu, Mary Robinson and Shirin Ebadi. . . .

Oh, well, then, that certainly clinches it!

6 posted on 10/06/2012 5:09:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marshmallow

He is a theologian, but officially he is not a Catholic theologian. His authority to describe himself as such has long been revoked.


7 posted on 10/06/2012 5:20:56 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: count-your-change

He is not in place. His licentiate is gone, confiscated. But he is a free citizen of Germany and can say whatever he wants and pretend to have whatever authority he wants to claim.


8 posted on 10/06/2012 5:24:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: marshmallow
Catholic theologian preaches revolution to end church's 'authoritarian' rule

Oxymoronic.

9 posted on 10/06/2012 5:26:15 PM PDT by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: marshmallow
"One of the world's most prominent Catholic theologians"

Only in his mind.

10 posted on 10/06/2012 5:27:56 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: marshmallow

Gee, are there not enough Protestant (protester...of the Catholic Church) churches in the world including not denominational ones?!? Found one of your own or find one that fits your beliefs....just stupid.


11 posted on 10/06/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: marshmallow

Correction: Hans Kung is NOT a Catholic theologian. He calls himself “catholic,” and he used to be a “priest.” He has deliberately cut himself off from any legitimate attachment to the Roman Catholic Church. He is a liar and a charlatan, but he is NOT a Catholic theologian. Time for the woodshed for the writer of this article.


12 posted on 10/06/2012 5:33:20 PM PDT by redhead (Guns don't kill people...Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Cicero

Ha—Kung won the admiration of all the Satanists who frequent the orgies and sacrificial rites of Baal at the Bohemian Grove. How sick that a person like Kung is still considered “Catholic” when his mind is so contaminated by the occult and base urges.

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI. I’ve been reading his works....he is a brilliant, clear thinker.


13 posted on 10/06/2012 5:34:45 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: marshmallow

This is what occurs when rebellious priests are not defrocked and excommunicated where needed.


14 posted on 10/06/2012 5:40:15 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: savagesusie

Yes, I read a lot of Karl Ratzinger’s books before he became Pope. I found them brilliant, insightful, and always orthodox.

I was especially impressed by “The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood.”


15 posted on 10/06/2012 5:45:55 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
To be fair, they support Kung on his little side-project of creating a "global ethics program" for all cultures to agree to share - they have not signed on to his program of calling the Pope a dictator.

The article is actually hilarious. He calls the Pope pompous, yet he has a larger-than-life statue of himself outside his mansion.

It is painfully obvious that he is jealous of the Pope's success. It's just not fair! He is smarter, more sophisticated, more stylish, has more fashionable friends, more exquisite taste, it's a travesty!

Also, he cannot believe that the Pope won't hang out with him anymore, just because he called him a Nazi and encouraged his clergy to pick fights with him. How petty!

Kung's egomania pours out of him like a mighty river, no matter how much his journalistic cheerleaders try to promote him.

16 posted on 10/06/2012 5:45:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

Dear Herr Kueng,

Everything you want may be found in the dying mainstream Protestant churches. Please join one of them and leave our Church alone!


17 posted on 10/06/2012 5:54:04 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: savagesusie

“Kung won the admiration of all the Satanists who frequent the orgies and sacrificial rites of Baal at the Bohemian Grove.”

The place with the giant owl statue?

Freegards


18 posted on 10/06/2012 5:54:15 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: redhead

“...this sacred congregation by reason of its duty is constrained to declare that Professor Hans Küng, in his writings, has departed from the integral truth of Catholic faith, and therefore he can no longer be considered a Catholic theologian nor function as such in a teaching role.”

Here’s the link from the 1979 document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19791215_christi-ecclesia_en.html


19 posted on 10/06/2012 6:01:22 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: wideawake
He has the authority as a priest and Catholic theologian if not the official title. Did he not lose his licentiate because he argued against papal infallibility?

Last year Kung said he and Benedict were on good terms so it appears Kung hasn't suffered too much since his retirement.

20 posted on 10/06/2012 6:07:55 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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