Posted on 06/08/2013 6:33:33 PM PDT by Biggirl
You've nailed it. The Jews, Negros, Asians and Latinos who never darken the threshold in a synagogue, church or temple and vote overwhelmingly democrat played absolutely no role.
That’s a weak argument. In the context of the article, in which a Catholic decries Big Gov., I merely pointed out that Catholics, as a way of thought regarding church/state relations, helped set the house on fire.
When government supports religion, the religious love government. The trouble is big government, no?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
These are what every thing from the declaration of independence, the constitution with the bill of rights are based on.
I agree with the bishop but where were these people when they started all of this take over of freedom years ago?
Freedom of religion is not the only freedom we have, if we can lose the rest of it we can lose it to, in fact it is just a guarantee that we will.
So where were these lovers of freedom of religion at when they started taking over other freedoms? i have a feeling they are the very ones who had a big part in doing it.
For instance in many counties in some states it was called dry counties, you could not buy a beer and if you brought some back from another county you could go to jail for boot legging.
I could name a thousand other things but will just name one thing which just started a few years ago and did not start with Obama.
Taxes on tobacco that amounts to nothing but extortion and states taking away the establishments rights and the rights of the employees to decide if they want to inhale smoke.
Where were the lovers of freedom at then?
That’s a totally absurd statement.
But i think about how the Church organizations them selves have done every thing they could to help take the freedom away from people they do not think of as Christian.
For instance drinking and smoking, which the bible does not forbid.
Although i do not like to put Christianity and religion in the same sentence i do believe in freedom of religion and will vote accordingly.
Many people and Churches regardless of denomination wants every ones help to preserve freedom of religion, but due to the fact that they have had a big hand in taking away a good many freedoms, i wish them luck.
bkmk
It is way past time Christians, regardless of the church community they belong to get past the in-fighting and realized that what we are up against.
It's a crying shame that 54% of self-identified Catholic Americans voted for the Halfrican Marxist, but then again it's a crying shame that a single American of ANY religious persuasion voted for him.
But what does that have to do with Abp Chaput continuing to be the canary in the coal mine? Is he not allowed to speak up until 100% of Catholics agree with him and vote according to the teachings of their faith? If he were silent, he would be accused for his silence, and justly so. If he speaks up, he's castigated for not speaking up earlier. Except that he DID speak up earlier, as Catholic posters demonstrate above. But apparently no amount of speaking up is acceptable; Chaput loses his right to an express an opinion against Obama because 54% of self-identified Catholics DID NOT LISTEN TO HIM and voted the wrong way.
If a black preacher (cf Rev Manning) or politician (cf Alan West) expresses an anti-Obama opinion, nobody of FR carps that 97% of blacks voted for Obama. No, we recognize their courage and are glad to have them as allies.
Only Catholic leaders' objections to Obama are read out of court on the grounds that Catholics "caused this problem". Why is that?
And an even larger point is that the actions of dissident Catholics who violate Catholic teaching on faith and morals are still routinely blamed on Catholicism! I always like to note that the only valid criticism of such defectors-in-place would be that they are not Catholic enough.
And if the problem is that their bishops and/or superiors have not corrected or disciplined them --- the problem is that their ecclesiastical superiors are not Catholic enough.
No, I applaud him and wish every Catholic thought like him. At the same time it’s the hypocrisy of a church that demands its liberty while undermining it for the rest of us.
Umm, last I checked the Catholic church has nothing against drinking in moderation.
Post of the day. Thank you so much Campion.
Umm, last I checked the Catholic church has nothing against drinking in moderation.
Also many years back i lived in what was called a dry county in Texas, people had to go out of the county to buy beer or even wine, i was told the reason it was dry is because the church people voted it that way.
I did not drink but knew people who went to prison for bringing beer back across the county line, they were rail roaded for boot legging.
Sounds like you need to do more research.
Sounds like you need to do more research.
apart from that,
What should i research?
Did i actually live in a dry county in Texas or was i just dreaming?
Was it the Christians from the Churches who voted to make it a dry county or was i being lied to?
Did people actually go to prison for bootlegging or am i lying?
My experience is that we have been losing a little freedom here and a little there for many years.
So on these particular issues and especially where a county is concerned i would assume that it is the people who belong to a religion that would vote against the freedoms of others.
But ok, i missed my own belief here, i should have not used the word Christian but should have used the word religious people, as there may not be any relationship,
my mistake.
Yes, as I said it’s not the Catholic church that was involved in these things.
Yes, as I said it’s not the Catholic church that was involved in these things.
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