Posted on 06/12/2013 11:25:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
Should have read:
Doing the will of the Father is not just believing on the Promise through Christ, but also on doing the work of the Father, as Jesus himself did.
How am I failing to behave as such?
Please elaborate.
However please be careful that you have not folded ungodliness into your own response.
There shouldn’t be a brouhaha over this. People who aren’t dead or asleep or in a coma DO things. It’s only a matter of what those things are.
True enough, they do. But these are works that come from catching the Spirit. Faith that catches the Spirit also empowers one’s works so that they begin to be what God wants, however imperfect at first. I’m trying to clear up some confusion from the viewpoint of actually LIVING this.
You’re off on a different hobby horse that does not intersect with what I am saying.
Sometimes passages of scripture DO apply more than one principle to more than one thing. In this case, the Son is not in the business of damning in this world. Is that clear enough?
Incidentally as very suggestive corroboration of this... we are told that as regards the evil angels, which we KNOW will be damned, and into whose fiery hell the damned humans who followed them will be cast, Jesus will not “torture them before the appointed time” and even the good angels will not rail at them. (BUT, the evil angels are rebuked.)
There is a scripturally clear hiatus on Jesus damning as I read it. The Father may have “already damned” but the execution of the damning is Jesus’ bailiwick and this is not the time for it.
To believe is to “receive” the Holy Spirit. I am using the modern synonym “catch” to try to make it clearer.
It’s tangential to the point of a temporal hiatus on Jesus carrying out damning.
Also notice that the object of “to condemn” is “the world” — not “part of the world.” You’re trying to say that the context alters “the world” into “part of the world” — which seems a giant stretch at best. I say 3:17 remains true both alone and when viewed in light of 3:18. 3:18 is not speaking of any present role of Jesus except to sound a generalized warning.
Jesus is holding off on damning. Damnation is such a high voltage, emotionally and spiritually charged subject, that it is difficult to handle well. But unless it is handled well, it will likely get Christians in a perpetual mess of argument and, well... damning of one another.
You disagree exactly what? Please state the gravamen of what you assert and how it differs from the gravamen of what I assert.
And 3:17’s meaning is not altered by 3:18. 3:18 only supplements it.
I am asserting that the referenced clause in Jesus’ statement in fact is a valid stand alone statement. Your claiming I am using versification as an argument is to raise a straw man.
You’re free to quote both verses till you’re blue in the face; however you have yet to show how 3:18 actually alters 3:17 in any way such as making “the world” mean “part of the world.” The damnation that Jesus warns of is taking place INDEPENDENT of Jesus. Please get that point. Now you have a blessed day too, and I do not mean it sarcastically.
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