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What About Israel?...Romans 9-11 pt 1
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/what-about-israel-romans-9-11-pt-1/ ^ | 02-02-15 | Bill Randles

Posted on 02/02/2015 4:41:37 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.(Romans 9:1-5)

The epistle to the Romans is often said to be the perfect rendering of the gospel, because the epistle wasn’t written to correct a specific heresy as many of the others were. I have always believed this to be true and have stated it many times, but now I have been shown that I was wrong on that point.

Romans is indeed the best and most complete rendering of the workings of the gospel that I know of in scripture. But the epistle was written to address an error that had crept into the church in Rome, and which would eventually make its way into almost all of the churches.

That error is called “Replacement Theology”, the false teaching that the church of Jesus Christ is the new Israel of God, and that other than coming into the church as individuals, God has no ultimate plan for the physical children of Israel.

In New Testament history, the Roman church underwent several phases. The church can be traced back to Pentecost itself, when Romans were among the Jewish pilgrims in Jerusalem, who heard Peter preach the gospel. The earliest Roman church was almost entirely Jewish, ask virtually all other churches were.

As the revelation came to the apostles, that Gentiles could have a share in the gospel of eternal life, the Roman church began to convert and disciple Gentiles. Thus the second phase of the Roman church was Jewish, with Gentile converts.

Then in 49 AD, Claudius the Emperor expelled all Jews from Rome, which would include the Messianic Jews as well as the others. The book of Acts makes mention of this as well as the Roman historian Seutonius,

After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.(Acts 18:1-2)

Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome. (Seutonius)

Notice that the secular record of the expulsion of the Jews by Claudius, came because of the instigation over a figure named “Chrestus”. Could this be a corruption of the name Christ?

Thus the third phase of the Roman Church would be as an entirely gentile congregation. The church thrived, reaching hundreds of former pagans. Its development in those years, was Gentile. An explanation developed as to why the Jews were absented, which became the heresy.

Five years later, the new Emperor Nero allowed for the Jews to return to Rome. This began the fourth phase of the Roman church, which by then was predominantly Gentile with a smattering of returned Jews.

Paul had to write this letter to teach the predominantly Gentile Roman church the place of Israel in the heart of God, and in the church. He took 8 chapters to make the case that the gospel is equally applicable to Gentile and Jew, setting up the three chapters which teach the true place of Israel.

Replacement theology in the church eventually leads to the unthinkable, anti-Semitism. The very things Paul warned us of in Romans 9-11 are happening to the church today.

Consider that the once evangelical Presbyterian Church (USA) has been meeting with “Palestinian” Christians to rewrite the Bible, removing references to Israel and the Jews! This madness is the end of a long process of denominational denunciations of Israel, divestment campaigns, and boycotts.

One heresy leads to another, for evil has a tendency to snowball and compound.

Consider that the Roman Church which began almost entirely Jewish in outlook and leadership, morphed into the oftentimes antisemitic church of the Popes, indulgences, and of countless other abominations over the centuries, primarily field by the belief that the church is the new Israel and that God is through with the Jews as a people.

Remember that it was Roman Catholicism which first forced Jews in Europe into Ghettos and made them wear yellow stars to identify them as Jews.

By contrast behold the heart of Paul, “the apostle to the gentiles” for His own natural people, Israel. His greatest prayer and desire for the Jews was that they might be saved. He is speaking by the Holy spirit, and there is no hyperbole here; Paul is constantly burdened for their salvation, and if he could, he would gladly be accursed in their place.

Two others have said the same thing and meant it, Moses and Jesus. At the height of the golden calf incident, when Israel proved herself so faithless, Moses plead for them, that He might be “blotted out of God’s book” of life in their place.

But only Jesus could truly offer himself as a substitute for Israel, and he has done so, being accursed for God, for their sake that Israel might be saved. The Father and the Son love Israel, and still have a plan for her. Only by seeing this and acknowledging it, can one even begin to know what is happening these days .

This is why we must go through Romans 9-10-11.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: israel; israelchurch; palestinian; presbyterian; replacement; replacementtheology; romans91011
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1 posted on 02/02/2015 4:41:37 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...

Good article.

Thanks for posting it.


2 posted on 02/02/2015 5:29:44 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I DO NOT believe in replacement theology. I believe that the church of the first decade following the Resurrection of Jesus was TOTALLY made up of Jewish believers in the Messiah. Then, largely under the influence of Paul, the Gentiles were “grafted in” to the vine of this body of Jewish believers. Thus, the Church IS the Jewish remnant, with Gentiles grafted in to its members.


3 posted on 02/02/2015 5:39:29 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: pastorbillrandles
Notice that the secular record of the expulsion of the Jews by Claudius, came because of the instigation over a figure named “Chrestus”. Could this be a corruption of the name Christ?
Thus the third phase of the Roman Church would be as an entirely gentile congregation. The church thrived, reaching hundreds of former pagans. Its development in those years, was Gentile. An explanation developed as to why the Jews were absented, which became the heresy.

What is interesting is that this historic fact makes their 1st pope Peter out of the will of God that made him the apostle to the jews

4 posted on 02/02/2015 5:42:01 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: impactplayer

“Thus, the Church IS the Jewish remnant, with Gentiles grafted in to its members.”

You were doing great up until that point.


5 posted on 02/02/2015 6:11:24 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: pastorbillrandles
The church can be traced back to Pentecost itself...

Can't we all?

6 posted on 02/02/2015 6:20:04 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: impactplayer
I DO NOT believe in replacement theology.

Neither do I.

That would GOD would have UN'chosen' His people at some point in time; and there is no evidence this has occurred.

7 posted on 02/02/2015 6:21:12 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pastorbillrandles

good post. thanks.


8 posted on 02/02/2015 7:00:44 PM PST by dadfly
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I know - it doesn’t always make sense - I just follow the word:

If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. (from Romans 11)


9 posted on 02/02/2015 7:02:23 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: impactplayer

“But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. “

Continue reading. God isn’t done with Israel yet... [here, not to mention the extensive prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures].


10 posted on 02/02/2015 7:05:26 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The prophecies of Hebrew scriptures were fulfilled (completed) in Christ. He fulfilled the law, so that we were no longer bound by it. That is the real key. We are Israel in a New Covenant - the old has past away. “The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming . . “ (Heb. 10:1)
“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance - now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. (Heb. 9:15). We are the Israel of the New Covenant - the Old Covenant will never return!


11 posted on 02/02/2015 7:21:28 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: impactplayer

You will have to explain God’s unfulfilled promises to Israel and His broken covenant with Abraham and David, to hold to your claim... Let alone the promise about Israel in the Romans passage.


12 posted on 02/02/2015 7:47:25 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Elsie

Yes, but I am reffering to the history of the Roman church-there were Roman Jews at Pentecost...


13 posted on 02/02/2015 8:41:17 PM PST by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It is not a broken covenant - it is a fulfilled covenant! Jesus completed the full letter of the law, and left us blameless to the demands of the law. The law could never make us free, only bound to sin. In Jesus we are free indeed! Free of the law, and free of the Old Covenant - Jew and Gentile alike - there is no difference. We now find ourselves - like Adam and Eve before they sinned - fully blameless and in full restoration with God! We can now walk with Him in the cool of the evening - not naked, but clothed in the righteousness of Jesus. Please, do not miss what has been purchased for us at such a great price. The Old Covenant of the Law has been fulfilled and the New Covenant of Grace is in place - there cannot be two “covenants” working at the same time. The old passes away so the new can flourish. Praise God!!!


14 posted on 02/02/2015 8:50:14 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: pastorbillrandles

.....”That error is called “Replacement Theology”, the false teaching that the church of Jesus Christ is the new Israel of God, and that other than coming into the church as individuals, God has no ultimate plan for the physical children of Israel”......

I had a dear God-mother who believed that the church is the “New” Israel, it was the only bone of contention we had regarding the faith. She was a woman of God’s Word so we would really go at it.

She would always come to the place where her silence spoke volumes as she digested whatever the last scripture reference and question I might raise........and soon after she wouldn’t discuss it further.

I loved her greatly but we surely did disagree on that note.

I understand the arguments but they always seem to take on the same twisting and churning, and jumping thru hoops of scripture in order to make them fit what they want to believe, rather than believe what the scripture says. Often reminds me of catholic debates.


15 posted on 02/02/2015 9:52:33 PM PST by caww
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

...” God isn’t done with Israel yet.”....

Amen!


16 posted on 02/02/2015 10:29:29 PM PST by caww
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To: impactplayer

Is your hope the return of Jesus Christ and the kingdom 1 Th 2:19 (parousia), or his appearing Tit 2:13 (epiphaneia)?


17 posted on 02/03/2015 1:52:05 AM PST by RABID_JACKAL
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To: pastorbillrandles

AHhhh...


18 posted on 02/03/2015 3:17:33 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; pastorbillrandles
Thanks for the ping metmom, and thanks for posting the article pastor. It's a timely article and something that really needs to be understood in today's world.

Without understanding Israel's place in prophecy no one can understand what's happening in the world today.

19 posted on 02/03/2015 4:54:04 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: impactplayer
>>Thus, the Church IS the Jewish remnant, with Gentiles grafted in to its members.<<

No, the "church" is not the Jewish remnant. There are seven years left of Danial’s prophesy for the Jews. The Israelite people are being gathered back to their land as prophesied and as God promised they would be.

20 posted on 02/03/2015 4:59:18 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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