Posted on 03/17/2015 5:15:11 AM PDT by Gamecock
I have no idea. But I’ve heard a lot about Mary “saving” people and never really understood it. So I thought maybe the poster could give sme insight to that. Or maybe he/she is condeming Luther to hell because he/she thinks he belongs there and hasn’t asked Mary because of that.
He was a human being. He would have burned.
Much to the sixteenth-century papacy delight.
I have never been told Catholics were evil, or anyone else for that matter, in church or at home; apparently you have been so taught, or have become bitter due to mistreatment by others. I have not mistreated you nor will I hate you.
But maybe you can learn something from me; if you truly believe your interpretation of things is the way... and you want, like any Christian, to go forth and make disciples of all nations... to tell the word of God’s mercy for the sinner and condemned... that you might want to consider an approach that won’t turn people off.
A sense of humor might help.
In fact in our services we refer to the One Holy and Apostolic Catholic church fairly frequently, so the term “catholic” has never been considered a bad thing.
You will find that I don’t participate in the Christian-bashing going on this site, by both “protestants” and “Roman Catholics,” because I suspect most of those doing it are trolls sent by the “community organizer” to set us at each other’s throats for his purposes, to divide and conquer. Some fall into the trap and follow their lead.
I will not.
Okay.
But I’ll bet the 16th century papacy has no opinion on the issue today.
This sounds like an awful lot like a Catholic tradition which Protestants are so quick to disparage.
Of course he would have. The Roman Catholic Church of the day proved that over and over again.
"Be of good comfort, and play the man, Master Ridley; we shall this day light such a candle, by God's grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out." Latimer to Ridley at their burning.
“If both Catholics and Lutherans have a similar view towards justification, then Luther is as much justified towards God through Christ as any Catholic.”
You’re assuming Luther had the same view as modern Lutherans like the Lutheran World Federation. That is doubtful. Thus, there is no immediate reason to believe - based upon an agreement about justification between the Church and a Lutheran sect in the late 1990s - that Luther is “as much justified towards God through Christ as any Catholic.” Luther was once justified, but then he embraced heresy and sin. Unless he repented of those heresies and sins, there is clearly a problem.
A smokescreen between Lib Lutherans and the Catholics. Rejected by confessional Lutherans.
Agreed, I wonder when the Lutherans will build an idol of Luther and pray to it.
I thank you for your frank and honest reply. I usually don’t descend to what others may term “baiting”. I had no intention of it today. But my indignation got the best of me. We disagree on some things obviously. But I would be happy to claim you as a sibling in the family of God.
In Christo, Pax.
CC
Pax, my friend. May the Lord bless you and keep you this St. Patrick’s day.
Highly unlikely as he was just a sinful man.
With a stinging sense of humor that got him into the weeds sometimes.
Not to mention he wouldn’t approve because he was very much aware he was a sinner, and in fact didn’t like the term “Lutheran”- that was a term applied by the RC as a put-down.
I’m wondering how well Christians are going to do against Islam when internet trolls have us waging war against eachother like a bunch of zealots angry over whether or not the law allows us to lift a cow out of a well on the Sabbath.
I don’t know, Gamecock. Luther appeared on a grilled cheese sandwich I was making. But I wanted it a bit more well done. Well, instead, the stovetop burst into flames. The sandwich was spared, however. It was kind of medium-well. Does that count?
The question is how did it taste?
Speaking of which, I saw this on a piece of toast and don't know what to make of it:
Martin Luther throws a large portion of the Old Testament into the garbage can then asserts that "kingdom" means total individualistic anarchy but deluded people insist Luther was following the Holy Spirit (the same Holy Spirit Luther asserts was too inept and imperfect to protect Scripture from the inclusion of error) and based his heresy of total anarchy on Scripture.
Now, that's a strong delusion.
***so He leaves a kingdom to the Apostles.***
That is the Roman Catholic delusion right there.
Luke 22:29 "And I dispose to you, as my Father hath disposed to me, a kingdom ;"
Luke 22:30 "That you may eat and drink at my table, in my kingdom : and may sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
So now we have it stated by a single Self and Self Alone authority in all matters of faith and morals not to mention interpretation of Scripture, that Jesus Christ was not given a kingdom by His Father and the Apostles were not granted a kingdom to take care of nor will they ever, ever, sit on thrones.
As we have seen with regard to other direct quotes of Jesus Christ in His Holy Word, anyone who believes in one of the heresies Luther spawned and doesn't like the implications and/or consequences of something Christ said simply pretends Christ never said it or even as the Incarnate Son of God, The Word Incarnate, Christ was still too tongue tied to make Himself clearly understood.
So is it that Scripture contains a lot of errors or that this passage was originally written in Sanskrit and therefore "kingdom" really means "soapbox derby"?
As I said about Luther's heresy of anarchy, "Now that's a strong delusion".
Catholics engaging in name-calling and put-downs? I've never heard of such a thing! /sarc>
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