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Romans, Martin Luther and 1515 (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus)
Don Sweeting ^ | 9/10/2015 | Don Sweeting

Posted on 11/10/2015 9:33:09 AM PST by Gamecock

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1 posted on 11/10/2015 9:33:09 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Dutchboy88; ealgeone; ..

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2 posted on 11/10/2015 9:33:36 AM PST by Gamecock (Preach the gospel daily, use words if necessary is like saying Feed the hungry use food if necessary)
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To: Gamecock

Not sure if Luther continued in the Reformed tradition, but certainly the understanding of the “gift” of salvation by grace through faith was clarified later by TULIP. And, this is often neglected nowadays, even by some who claim the “reformed tradition”. The Scriptures teach:
Total depravity (inability to come to Christ)
Unconditional election (chosen before the foundation of the world)
Limited Atonement (Christ died for the elect)
Irresistible Grace (If a person is among the elect, they will be “drawn” without fail)
Perseverance of the Saints (All the elect will be kept by Jesus and raised up on that day)


3 posted on 11/10/2015 9:42:24 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Gamecock

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4 posted on 11/10/2015 9:45:36 AM PST by Artemis Webb
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To: Gamecock

It’s very simple what Luther did: Get back to Romans! Get back to Paul, someone given definitive authority from God! Being reconnected to Scripture is to be plugged into sorce material. The rest is mere commentary, talking ABOUT. “Taste and see that the LORD is good”. One can experience and know this from supping on His Word.


5 posted on 11/10/2015 9:52:12 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Gamecock

If only the Gospel according to Luke, The Acts of the Apostles, Romans, and Hebrews were available to someone, those would be sufficient for a complete understanding of the Grace of God in Christ ... for our salvation, our being born from above to be raised up by His Spirit in the Way that we should go.


6 posted on 11/10/2015 9:54:28 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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It is good you articulated TULIP so people can see the perverseness of it as a doctrine

JW's are TULIPians (144,000 ... same thing only different)

Marxists are TULIPians

Every class/segment of human society has it's own particular brand of elitist "Only me, not thee"

and Jesus says, "WHOSOEVER WILL may come"

7 posted on 11/10/2015 9:54:58 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Dutchboy88

I don’t think there is a basis for limited atonement.


8 posted on 11/10/2015 9:56:15 AM PST by ifinnegan
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If you wish to continue on with your Arminian heresy, that, well, is God keeping you in the dark. But, the Scriptures hold to TULIP and the Reformers did, also. Go read your history...it is the view which unleashed the chains of Rome.


10 posted on 11/10/2015 10:00:48 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: ifinnegan

Check your post...”I don’t think...” There’s your difficulty. The Scriptures teach it.


11 posted on 11/10/2015 10:02:08 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I was being polite.

Also giving you a chance to correct me.

Looks like you had your chance and muffed it.


12 posted on 11/10/2015 10:03:47 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Dutchboy88

How and when am I to know I am one of the elect ?


13 posted on 11/10/2015 10:05:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Philippians 2:13 answers that as do many other scriptures. You do not speak to the underlying “HOW”. That “how” is God.

Romans 8:29-30 states, “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren; and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

You have to go through extreme scriptural calisthenics to make that mean something other that what it really does.


14 posted on 11/10/2015 10:22:48 AM PST by sigzero
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To: ifinnegan
I don't think there is a basis for limited atonement.

No basis and no comfort. Did Jesus die for my sins? If there is limited atonement, I can not answer this question. I can never be sure of my salvation, because I do not know if the message of salvation is for me.

15 posted on 11/10/2015 10:23:16 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Gamecock

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16 posted on 11/10/2015 10:26:28 AM PST by SouthernClaire
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To: sigzero
How many is 'whom' ?

I know that scripture well

17 posted on 11/10/2015 10:28:22 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Gamecock

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18 posted on 11/10/2015 11:38:45 AM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: ifinnegan

Actually, I am still at work (self-employed) and was busy with a project. What is it that you think is “muffed”? I didn’t write TULIP, the Reformers did. If you are part of the reformed tradition, then you would understand it. If not, you are being held out by God.


19 posted on 11/10/2015 11:40:21 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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I don’t think there is a basis for limited atonement.

That is surely unclear on the concept.

I'm sorry I punched you in the nose, but NOT sorry that I punched you in the mouth. :o) Limited apology.

20 posted on 11/10/2015 11:51:08 AM PST by cloudmountain
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